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E.Marquez wrote:

RogueUSMC wrote:My brother in law was pulled over. When he handed licenses and insurance to the officer, the officer said he didn't need proof of insurance as 'system' told him when he ran the plates who he was and whether the vehicle was insured or not. If that info is available, warrants should be also...

Again,, No, it tells the officer about the vehicle and the registered owner.. NOT the person sitting in the car.

What he said.

Joker, You are debating preferences and procedures. I think most of us are talking about a cop circumventing one's rights.

I am confused, you have a problem with the cop telling the person to exit the vehicle via the PA but you think it better to handcuff a person to remmove their gun.

Again, what do you think the cop would have done if he saw a bag of pot in the glove box? I'm just trying to understand your thought process.

What would have the officer done if he had found dope? Just be concerned?

puma guy wrote:

texanjoker wrote:

mojo84 wrote:If all authorities always had good intentions, we wouldn't need the Constitution. He shouldn't have opened the glove box. Getting a peak inside the car when he was putting the magazine and or gun in the back seat was enough. He used it as an opportunity to see what was inside the glove box. Shouldn't have done it.

In addition to what I posted, IF he was doing this to do a search, which I don't believe, if he found anything it would be inadmissible as it was an illegal search. That is basic search and seizure 101 as he had no business in the glove box. That thing about fruit of the poisonous tree comes into play. There is way too much assuming in here when it comes to leos and how they work. I guess he could have just set the gun and magazine in the dirt and asked the driver to not pick it up until he left.

No reason to be condescending. Others have simply stated their opinions and their feelings related to any LEO entering their vehicle with no PC. There have been very reasonable alternatives offered here that would provide safety for the officer and not require vehicle entry and intrusion into the glove box. I doubt any member would be happy to have their weapon placed in the dirt. As far as way too much assuming your assumption he wasn't searching is no different.

It all comes down to matter of perspective. Some will always give the LEO the benefit of the doubt and others won't.

The condescension has become more of the norm. Especially when someone is defending something that shouldn't have happened in the first place. Just as when is the comment was made about putting the gun on the paint. This is done all the time by cops when they are searching for something. Tossing keys, phones and other items on the car is not uncommon. The gun could easily be laid on the windshield held up with the wipers. It could also be carefully laid on the paint without damaging the paint. These are just excuses on which to base an argument in favor of the leo doing something he shouldn't have. What if he wanted to put the gun or magazine in the trunk and the the other in the glovebox. Would be a fairly effective visual search whether or not it was the intention.

I also would like to point out that it is being assumed the cop was not using the placement of the gun in the car and glove box as an opportunity to search. It would also involve considerable assumptions if one was to surmise how the cop would have reacted if he had seen a bag of pot or meth in the glove box when he opened it.

Condescension is used by those that think they are better or smarter than the one they are addressing when in fact, it usually isn't true. I'm not attacking anyone but pointing out the tone that was used content used.

Either way. Just some way that doesn't involve him snooping where he doesn't belong.

Just lay the unloaded gun on or in the car or hand it to the owner with magazine and ammo laying in or on the car with instructions for the owner not to touch it until the officer leaves.

If all authorities always had good intentions, we wouldn't need the Constitution. He shouldn't have opened the glove box. Getting a peak inside the car when he was putting the magazine and or gun in the back seat was enough. He used it as an opportunity to see what was inside the glove box. Shouldn't have done it.

Sounds like he did his fishing when he returned your gun and magazine. Good thing you didn't have anything suspicious looking or smelling in here. Pretty much did a visual search I'm sure.