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by SA-TX
Mon May 23, 2011 6:02 pm
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 2756 Open Carry bill reported favorably
Replies: 317
Views: 111342

Re: HB 2756 Open Carry bill reported favorably

Bullwhip wrote:
para driver wrote:
PATHFINDER wrote:" - who is the cracker going to target???
that's a good question, and I can answer it, as I work in one of 'those' neighborhoods frequently..
they target other druggies for the most part... otherwise I'm just the freindly, non-threatening, computer
guy who drives a 15+ year old truck(who has a loaded 38 in his pocket).. IF I open carried in this area, it would SURELY draw much more attention than I want...
Who said you have to OC? OC bill is for choice, carry how you feel comfortble.
:iagree:

As they say in the British Paraliment, "I refer the honorable gentleman to the reply I gave some moments ago."
by SA-TX
Tue May 17, 2011 8:50 pm
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 2756 Open Carry bill reported favorably
Replies: 317
Views: 111342

Re: HB 2756 Open Carry bill reported favorably

TXlaw1 wrote:What is the need for citizens to open carry when they can have the advantage of concealed carry if confronted with a perp who wants to do them harm? Is there really research that shows that open carry deters crime? If so, I'd like to be pointed to it.
There may or may not be tactical advantages. SRothstein addresses that from the perspective of a long-time LEO in his post. For me, that is irrelavent. Each Texan should be able to make up his or her own mind. It isn't about "need' but rather about liberty. At least that's the philosophical part of my answer. :biggrinjester:

The practical part is that it is HOT in Texas and there are times where covering up -- or fully covering up to the standards of CC -- are inconvenient or uncomfortable. Numerous times I've faced this situation: I'm going to take the bike for a spin. It is summer in Texas and I'm already going to be hot in my armored jacket which is too tight to allow for a shoulder rig. IBW is uncomfortable but doable IF I don't take my prefered side arm (an XD .40 micro, so not a hand cannon). My regular strong-side holster isn't covered by the tight jacket so I'll need some other cover garment. Do I: a) take a smaller pistol and go IBW, b) find another way to cover my usual hoster and gun and accept the additional heat & hassle, c) buy new stuff to aleviate some of these issues, or d) don't carry.

Will it really cause mass panic if someone happens to distinguish my black and stainless pistol from my black and silver jacket and black bike? I'm licensed and trusted by Texas to carry a handgun so is this behavior so egregious or threatening or scary that it needs to be illegal? I really believe that it is simply a case of government shielding a segment of the citizenry from something that MIGHT be upset them. I know that it was done for the benefit of the CHLer, to reduce opposition for initial passage and to keep things quIet since, and I appreciate that. Nevertheless, I think we can do with a little less protection. ;-)

In an ideal world, where freedom and individual autonomy is the ultimate goal, no public policy maker would care that a some, perhaps even many, would find an openly carried sidearm to be worrisome. The reply would be "Tough. Freedom isn't easy. I'm sure the OCer doesn't like everything that you do either, but that's not a sufficient reason to criminalize any action." This isn't a perfect world so it is a legitimate concern. We need to steadily move towards expanded freedom but do it in thoughtful measured way that doesn't cause unnecessary drama. Charles's new organization will greatly assist in this effort.

Like most who support making OC legal, I'm not advocating that everyone OC. I'm not debating the relative merits of OC vs. CC. I've said many times that I would only OC under certain conditions and am a strong advocate for all 2A rights. If we must be allowed only one or the other, I'll take CC. My view is that we need not limit ourselves that that choice.

OC can be, and almost everywhere in the USA is, legal but rarely seen. That's a great combination. OCing does occur, but most people never spot it, notice it, remember it, or get offended by it thus there's no clamor in OC states to outlaw it. We can have our cake and eat it too. There may be a yahoo or two that intentionally OCs in crowded, urban places just to assert their rights just like those who wear a provacative t-shirt or body decorations. Those few may indeed cause a small commotion from time to time. Freedom is messy (neo-Nazis marching in Skokie, black armbands, KKK rallys, etc.). Nevertheless, those are situations are rare and we should not let the statistical outliers keep everyone else from having the legal protection to exercise a constitutional right in a responsible way whether they ever choose to do so or not. I've never picketed or been part of a public demonstration but that doesn't mean I don't value that 1st Amendment right. Same for the 5th when under arrest, etc.

SA-TX
by SA-TX
Thu May 12, 2011 3:24 pm
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 2756 Open Carry bill reported favorably
Replies: 317
Views: 111342

Re: HB 2756 Open Carry bill reported favorably

Charles L. Cotton wrote:As for bringing an end to personal animosity, you need to talk to Lone Star Civil Defense League President Shane McCrary and post something on OpenCarry.org. MR REDNECK's track record on TexasCHLforum, TexasGunTalk and on OpenCarry.org clearly shows he is a driving force behind the personal attacks and lies.
Done, by me, in the Texas section of OpenCarry.org.

SA-TX
by SA-TX
Thu May 12, 2011 12:57 pm
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 2756 Open Carry bill reported favorably
Replies: 317
Views: 111342

Re: HB 2756 Open Carry bill reported favorably

steveincowtown wrote:
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My question wasn’t “why isn’t NRA/TSRA supporting this bill” my question is what are they actively doing prevent the 30.06 portion from going forward if the bill hits the floor. I know that they already have an agenda, game plan, etc.

Teams also have an agenda/game plane at the beginning of every ball game. Unfortunately this has to be flexible and adapt to what the other team is doing.
Thinking about it more, I am sure that Mr. Cotton is smart enough to have some sort of plan (with regards to the 30.06 portion of this bill), but wise enough not to share it in a public forum.
;-)
We'll know soon. Like others, I hate the thought of waiting until the next session. The current projection is the next session's House will probably contain FEWER Republicans -- though that doesn't necessarily mean fewer pro-2A members, it might -- and probably less than a 2/3 majority. That means that the quorum busting, chubbing, and points of order on technicalities could resume.

Charles, this could be a great icing-on-the-cake achievement for the session. It isn't an NRA/TSRA bill, but if it could be amended to remove the changes to 30.06, wouldn't this be an advancement for liberty and gun carry in Texas? I agree with your prior post -- why wouldn't this be supported by CHLs and those who want open carry alike?

That being the case, if parking lot carry and campus carry are either passed or 100% dead -- thus TSRA would have some additional bandwidth -- I hope TSRA will consider moving beyond neutrality and helping some form of open carry across the finish line. If the organization is willing to engage to stop something bad from happening -- and I agree that it should -- I would hope that the reverse would also be true and you would advocate and/or work for passage of an acceptable bill. IMHO, passing HB 2756 isn't the goal; expanding 2A rights for Texans to include some form of open carry is. Therefore if there is an opportunity to do so, whether in the form of HB 2756 or some other vehicle, I hope TSRA will avail themselves of the opportunity.

SA-TX
by SA-TX
Fri May 06, 2011 7:17 pm
Forum: 2011 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 2756 Open Carry bill reported favorably
Replies: 317
Views: 111342

Re: HB 2756 Open Carry bill reported favorably

Charles L. Cotton wrote:If TPC §30.06 is amended as currently written, any business that wants to prohibit open-carry will be forced to prohibit concealed-carry also, even if that is not what they want to do. However, if TPC §30.06 is not amended and open-carry is subject to the "regular" trespass code provisions in TPC §30.05, then a business can post a generic "no guns" sign or decal to ban open-carry. This gives both the business owner and CHL's options. If one is carrying openly and sees a generic "no guns" sign/decal, they can simply cover their gun with their shirt or other garment and continue into the building. Why would any open-carry supporters oppose having this option?

Chas.
I, for one, like this proposal. Sure constitutional carry is the ultimate objective and it is sad that we haven't been able to advance as far as OK an FL but it is better than nothing and time is running out for the session. For me OC isn't about shopping or dining or showing off. It is mostly about having an option when concealing isn't convenient or comfortable. Motorcycling comes to mind as an example. It is usually hot, jackets can be tight or can move due to the wind, IWB can be restricted depending on the bike. Would this cause terror on the highways of our great state? I don't think so. Fishing is another example. casting can be restricted due to the covering garment.

I'll take it. SA-TX

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