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by locke_n_load
Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:18 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
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Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

stars200 wrote:I was not sure which section to post this article I saw this morning. This looked as good as any. Talk about a misinformed one sided article.

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/why-di ... es-7937451
"...it's clear that Walker's success at shutting down the Houston Zoo's gun ban has opened the floodgates for gun rights advocates across Texas, — and they're facing much more pushback than Walker ever did from the Houston Zoo."
The Houston Zoo was clearly in violation, and would have cost the city thousands of dollars per day to keep the signs up. The Dallas Zoo with all it's claims throws a little bit more smoke into the mix, but they will come down as well, I believe.
The Houston Zoo having it's signs removed opened no flood gates - SB273, which simply gave the old law some teeth, did that, and it's a good thing. Keep those subdistricts of the state in line and in compliance with state law.

I am wondering what kind of time frame the AG is trying to make decisions on these complaints? It's been a couple of months already. I would think it would take a month tops to nail the lids on these coffins.
by locke_n_load
Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:45 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 108030

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Hospitals are off-limits if a 30.06 sign is posted. SB273 does not prohibit the posting of a 30.06 sign on such property for two reasons. First, they are off-limits under §46.035 even though 30.06 notice is required. Secondly, the legislature would not create a legal impossibility, i.e. requiring a sign that is prohibited by a different statute.

Chas.
Interesting that city owned hospitals and nursing homes can post legally enforceable 30.06 signs.
Seems inconsistent, seeing that any other publically owned buildings, barring courthourses, cannot probibit carry via 30.06.
by locke_n_load
Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:27 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 108030

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

CJD wrote:
Abraham wrote:CJD,

You posted: "Any place off limits in 46.03 or 46.035 can post 30.06"

What does that mean?

Please elaborate for us that aren't up on this particular.

Thanks!
Texas Penal Code 30.06 says "It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035."

Places that are off limits in those sections:
46.03:
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution;
(2) on the premises of a polling place on the day of an election or while early voting is in progress;
(3) on the premises of any government court or offices utilized by the court, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the court;
(4) on the premises of a racetrack;
(5) in or into a secured area of an airport; or
(6) within 1,000 feet of premises the location of which is designated by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice as a place of execution under Article 43.19, Code of Criminal Procedure, on a day that a sentence of death is set to be imposed on the designated premises and the person received notice that:
(A) going within 1,000 feet of the premises with a weapon listed under this subsection was prohibited; or
(B) possessing a weapon listed under this subsection within 1,000 feet of the premises was prohibited.

46.035:
(b)
(1) on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code;
(2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place, unless the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used in the event;
(3) on the premises of a correctional facility;
(4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the license holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing home administration, as appropriate;
(5) in an amusement park; or
(6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.
(c) A license holder commits an offense if the license
holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun
under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code,
regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, in the room or rooms
where a meeting of a governmental entity is held and if the meeting is an open meeting subject to Chapter 551, Government Code,
and the entity provided notice as required by that chapter.
(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.


So any places listed in these 2 sections may post 30.06 regardless of whether or not they are owned or leased by a governmental entity.
I disagree with you here CJD. Hospitals are only off-limits if they are posted per 30.06. They are not automatically banned under 46.03 or 46.035, and city/county property postings are unenforceable. Especially after January 1st - you can tell them about the error of their sign, give them 3 days, then inform the AG and get em fined if they keep it up.
by locke_n_load
Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:45 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 108030

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

ScottDLS wrote:
Taypo wrote:Awww, that's cute! You'd think they could afford two signs.
If they don't have them down by January 1, I think I will open carry there. Then I'll be the "TEST CASE" . :shock:
I'll donate $20 towards your case.
by locke_n_load
Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:19 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 108030

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

Since the law does not give specific guidance on what should be submitted, is there any reason why we couldn't use our own letters/emails to make the notices, instead of what's on the TFC website?
I feel that getting a notary involved seems time consuming, when verifying if the person making the complaint is a citizen of Texas or CHL holder is not of much importance in regards to a complaint.
by locke_n_load
Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:28 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 108030

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

jamminbutter wrote:If the property is owned by a city should the original notification go to the person immediately over the property in question or straight to the City Manager's office?
Why not just give notification to both?
by locke_n_load
Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:49 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 108030

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

Child care facilities are not schools, even if they name it "San Antonio Zoo School". Those signs would still be unenforceable and should be brought up to the AG when that portal becomes available.
by locke_n_load
Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:46 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 108030

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

Rex B wrote:StartleGram reports the Fort Worth Zoo has now got it'self designated as a 'day care center" so they can continue to bar CHLs.

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/polit ... 47301.html

I sure hope they have to defend that in front of the AG. :mad5

On the plus side, the same article says Tarrant County is being proactive about finding incorrect signs and making them right. They mention the sign at the entrance to the Administration building, which sign has irked me for many years.
The law says nothing about day cares. The law says that school premises are off limits. Day cares are not schools. Therefore, those signs should still be unenforceable as the property is city owned and someone should file a complaint come September 1st.
by locke_n_load
Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:37 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: How to report improper §30.06 signs
Replies: 258
Views: 108030

Re: How to report improper §30.06 signs

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
mloamiller wrote:
Sec.411.209.WRONGFUL EXCLUSION OF CONCEALED HANDGUN LICENSE HOLDER.
(a) A state agency or a political subdivision of the state may not provide notice by a communication described by Section 30.06,
Since SB 273 specifically references 30.06, does that leave a loophole for government offices to improperly post 30.07 signs? Or will it apply equally to both?
It's not really a loophole because §30.07 was/is not in existence so SB273 couldn't address it. SB273 will not apply to §30.07 signs.

Chas.
But any 30.07 sign would still be unenforceable correct? If they ask you to leave, and all the law says mentions 30.06 notice/communication, could an employee of the state tell and open carrier to leave and you would have to?

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