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Rafe wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:47 pm

LDB415 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:12 pm And please explain "valedictorians". It apparently means more than I'm aware of.

Not intending to speak for Excaliber, but I think he's using it ironically as "the opposite of": i.e., the opposite of the student with the highest academic standing the class. Not the sharpest soup spoon in the cutlery drawer.

Excaliber wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 9:01 am

LDB415 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:13 pm And continued discussion circles back to mostly and usually. And yes, most criminals are cowards and usually they are looking for the quick and safe for them score. And in those mostly usually cases open carry may be just the thing to cause them to go down the street and ply their trade among a different group of victims. But usually mostly is not absolutely always without doubt or question. And I don't intend to advertise or identify myself so in that unusual and unlikely situation I am shot first.

Choosing to always CC means the valedictorians are never deterred by the sight of your firearm, and you are thus more likely to be targeted and have to use your tactical surprise which, as I pointed out, will likely be both complicated and expensive even if it is successful.

I'm not faulting your choice, but just recognizing that it has a potential downside as well.

"Mostly and usually" is all we have to work with in life. We all make our choices about how we're going to handle each situation and then live with the consequences, whatever they may be.

Excaliber wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:39 am

LDB415 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:20 pm

carlson1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 1:29 am

LDB415 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 1:15 am Look at me. I have a gun. Shoot me first.

That's what open carry says to anyone with ill intent. YMMV

That is an opinion. I see statements like this that, but it is just not that plain in every case. There is no data that shows this to be true.

I conceal carry 98.9%. Maybe pumping gas at QT or at my office I open carry just for the comfort of not having to put on my suit
coat.

But to say everyone who open carry’s is a target is no difference than the blood is going to run in the street.

I should have said potentially and have updated it. No, it's not an absolute in every case. But I'm not going to bet my life and risk being one of the cases where it's a truth. And I'm sure there are probably plenty.

I think you're overlooking the deterrent effect.

Most criminals are cowards looking for an easy score. Starting out with a murder that could be avoided just by selecting another time or another venue to commit the planned crime doesn't fit well with the way they actually do "business."

Open carry is also a reminder that others are likely carrying concealed as well. Although I carry concealed the vast majority of the time, I don't hesitate to open carry when it suits my convenience or comfort.

Our Way Out West CHL Forum breakfast on the 4th Saturday of every month has a tradition of open carry, and no one has walked into the restaurant and tried to shoot the bunch of us yet.

carlson1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 1:29 am

LDB415 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 1:15 am Look at me. I have a gun. Shoot me first.

That's what open carry says to anyone with ill intent. YMMV

That is an opinion. I see statements like this that, but it is just not that plain in every case. There is no data that shows this to be true.

I conceal carry 98.9%. Maybe pumping gas at QT or at my office I open carry just for the comfort of not having to put on my suit
coat.

But to say everyone who open carry’s is a target is no difference than the blood is going to run in the street.