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CleverNickname wrote:Jeez, it's not Mexico or Iraq or something. You guys are being a little hyperbolic. Take a handgun with <=10 round mags, carry it in Arizona, New Mexico and whatever other states you pass through that recognize your LTC. Before you drive into California, unload it and put it in a locked case in your trunk. Take it out at your destination for the night. Reverse the process when you leave. Yeah it's not ideal, but it's not difficult. Or just don't go. You guys wanting to bring a lawyer into it are making it waaaaay more complicated than necessary.

Hyperbolic? It's not like we are saying that a legal method of carry is "dumb" or anything as provocative as that.

California is a state with a lot of high crime areas where U.S. citizens are not allowed to carry guns or other means of self defense. When I was in Iraq there were bad guys who wanted to do me harm, but I was allowed, and actually required to carry my rifle everywhere I went. So it's a bit of comparing apples to oranges.

Mexico is a better comparison to California, IMHO. I don't see a significant risk profile difference between visiting "risky" areas in Mexico or California. In both cases you are likely to have a very bad day. And in both Mexico and California, if you have the means to stay in well protected areas, you are likely to be OK despite lacking the means to protect yourself.

bmwrdr wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

bmwrdr wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

bmwrdr wrote:

SQLGeek wrote:

Lynyrd wrote:
I fail to see how I can defend myself with a gun that is inside a locked container.

The average Californian isn't allowed to defend themselves with a firearm outside of their home.

In other words it is a bad idea to bring a gun to California and the chances to return with a felony charge are increased by doing so.

But bringing a gun does increase your chances of returning at all.

... and it may be a good idea to contact a CA law office before leaving.

http://tracygraysonlaw.com/practice-are ... ns-charges

You may also want to pre-emptively bribe the local government officials to avoid being jailed for something that is not illegal. Good advice in all third world countries, including California.

That is a non-fiction statement. And don't forget to bribe the bribary officials before you request a quote for the possible fines for not bribing anybody.

This is exactly why I avoid going to places like California, Fallujah, Caracas, New York City, Washington DC, etc., if at all possible.

bmwrdr wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

bmwrdr wrote:

SQLGeek wrote:

Lynyrd wrote:
I fail to see how I can defend myself with a gun that is inside a locked container.

The average Californian isn't allowed to defend themselves with a firearm outside of their home.

In other words it is a bad idea to bring a gun to California and the chances to return with a felony charge are increased by doing so.

But bringing a gun does increase your chances of returning at all.

... and it may be a good idea to contact a CA law office before leaving.

http://tracygraysonlaw.com/practice-are ... ns-charges

You may also want to pre-emptively bribe the local government officials to avoid being jailed for something that is not illegal. Good advice in all third world countries, including California.

bmwrdr wrote:

SQLGeek wrote:

Lynyrd wrote:
I fail to see how I can defend myself with a gun that is inside a locked container.

The average Californian isn't allowed to defend themselves with a firearm outside of their home.

In other words it is a bad idea to bring a gun to California and the chances to return with a felony charge are increased by doing so.

But bringing a gun does increase your chances of returning at all.

Lynyrd wrote:

SQLGeek wrote: "Pursuant to California Penal Code section 25610, a United States citizen over 18 years of age who is not prohibited from firearm possession, and who resides or is temporarily in California, may transport by motor vehicle any handgun provided it is unloaded and locked in the vehicle’s trunk or in a locked container. Furthermore, the handgun must be carried directly to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while being carried must be contained within a locked container.

Pursuant to California Penal Code section 16850, the term "locked container" means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not include the utility or glove compartment."

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/travel

I fail to see how I can defend myself with a gun that is inside a locked container.

I have been to the nutjob state may times on vacation, but I will never go back willingly.

I'm picturing a lockbox with a combination lock. One might have their gun in the box, slide locked back, with the box closed but the combination set and ready to open. Loaded mag in the door pocket (assuming it can't be in the gun). If a situation happens, retrieve gun from lockbox while left hand grabs mag, quick reload and you are ready to go. Just don't get out of your vehicle for any reason. You may also want to invest in some bullet proofing of doors and windows.

And to answer the OP's question, with a 10 round mag max is there really a better choice than a 1911? Since you won't be carrying it, just bring a full size steel model.

OP - MY condolences on being forced to visit such a dangerous place. My prayers are with you, and I wish you a safe return to the land of the free.