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by superstar
Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:42 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Self defense isurance
Replies: 33
Views: 8741

Re: Self defense isurance

WildRose wrote:
You'll find out in all likelihood if you have the lawyer you need within 24-48hrs and if you're not confident in the competency of the lawyer provided you can always hire another.
Does the service you got lets you switch lawyers at no charge? Why wait for those crucial hours and not research now for the lawyer you feel confident about? Rather than get a surprise later.

It sounds to me that you'll be spending more money if you are stuck with an attorney that you are not happy with. However, if they let you pick your own and switch at no charge and you are happy then that's all it matters in the end.

If I were to research for one I would want someone with experience on the other side of the law (assistant prosecutors, prosecutors, if they were LEO's before becoming an atty. would be a plus) and having experience with criminal law.
by superstar
Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:00 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Self defense isurance
Replies: 33
Views: 8741

Re: Self defense isurance

TreyHouston wrote:It has been a long time since I have looked into these things. I just poked around again reading a few of the popular ones. So as I am “emergency personnel” Texas State Guard, I have defence to 30.06. Does this mean that if I use my firearm inside such location or an arrested in such location I am still technically in violation of the legal services coverage? From what I read, they inplied that you are NOT covered in a place of restricted areas wether it be Federal, State, or local law.
Best to call and find out, please share it with us when you do.
by superstar
Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:58 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Self defense isurance
Replies: 33
Views: 8741

Re: Self defense isurance

ScottDLS wrote:Personally I have an attorney and bail bondsman on retainer. I pay a flat fee to have Alan Dershowitz available to me at any time for his regular fee of $1000hr, even if he’s in the middle of a seminar at Harvard Law School. My bondsman will provide a cash bond of up $1,000,000 in any court in the US 24/7. Last time I needed it was when I was going to “take the ride” for carrying concealed with a license on city property that had a 1” circle slash gun sign on the back loading bay door. Once Prof. Dershowitz was done talking to the cop, the LEO wrote himself a ticket for disorderly conduct. "rlol"
That's funny!

Care to share the fee with us? it doesn't have to exact you can just round it up.
by superstar
Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:00 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Self defense isurance
Replies: 33
Views: 8741

Re: Self defense isurance

rotor wrote: So if you are not acquitted.........they come out ahead and don't pay. I think I want a plan that helps me not be acquitted.
This also reminds me that I will need an attorney to read and interpret the fine print for all of these plans.
Some will have that piece of mind getting that legal service but when Murphy's law come o' knocking they'll surprisingly find out that they should have read and ask all that there is to it. If it's in print there is no reason but to blame themselves.

Why pay an atty. to read the contract so you can sign a legal service for another lawyer? If you are going to pay an atty. make sure he's the one that will represent you, otherwise you'll be paying for redundant services. If there is something you don't understand call and ask and request to explain to you both in verbal and printed notice.
by superstar
Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:53 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Self defense isurance
Replies: 33
Views: 8741

Re: Self defense isurance

I forgot which service it was but buyer's beware; on one of them stated that you don't pay anything out of your pocket unless you lose/get convicted. That alone would worry me, if you get 2 charges, one for manslaughter and another for some misdemeanor and you get convicted for that, you might find yourself in unexpected trouble...
by superstar
Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:13 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Self defense isurance
Replies: 33
Views: 8741

Re: Self defense isurance

Soccerdad1995 wrote:
$200 per year multiplied by the extremely low probability that the service gets used? Sure, they can easily afford a good lawyer for you. It's just like insurance. Do I really think that the insurance company will pay me $400,000 to replace my house if it burns down even though I am only paying a tiny fraction of that amount in annual premiums? Why yes, I do. Should I think about that again? Maybe, but I will probably reach the same conclusion.

The fact is that if you want to self insure for these risks, you can (where legally allowed). And you will probably be better off. The exact amount that you will probably be better off is equal to the insurance companies overhead costs + profit divided by the number of policy holders (otherwise known as Expected Value, or EV). To put it in terms of statistics / gambling, your EV is higher by self insuring (unless you find an insurance company with really bad actuaries), but your variance is also dramatically lower by insuring. You are paying the insurance company for this reduction in variance.

The insurance analogy was good, but let's say instead of housing insurance is medical insurance. Just because you pay for the medical insurance does not mean you will get the best doctor, you will get the doctor they recommend. Is it a bargain for $200 per year to have a legal service? of course it is. Would it be a great lawyer they recommend? Only you will know when the case ends. Would you bet your life (behind bars) on it? I wouldn't. I would research the best attorney that my money could buy and if you find that said atty. retainer's fee is $30K I'm pretty confident that they will take installments and not touch your case until their fee is paid. A much better scenario in my opinion where you have complete control on who you would want to represent you than what a legal service recommends.
by superstar
Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:25 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Self defense isurance
Replies: 33
Views: 8741

Re: Self defense isurance

rotor wrote: Apparently an attorney can't go with you into a grand jury regardless of the service used. So that part doesn't matter. How much is a little money? $30,000 is more than a little money. I don't know the answer to the question as to what method of prepaid or insurance is best and I have never heard of anyone involved with a legal issue complain about their service. I think these are profit making services for those groups sponsoring it.
I think ideally that we would need to hear from LTC holders that have been involved with "the law" as to how their experience actually was with these plans. Since we are all such outstanding citizens there are probably very few of us that could relate to those services. I would like to keep it that way.
Let's say you get the service with Multi-state, bail bond plus the one time fee of $20 + $200 = $220. Anyone here believe that by paying $200 annually will get you a $30K legal service (that's the general consensus here of a competent lawyer's fee) should think about that again.

They should read and inquire about those "expert testimonials fee, court fees, etc fees" and speak to the actual attorney that might be representing them. I believe that most LTC holders are here to follow the law of the land, mores and will probably won't need those services, but there are some that just need that piece of mind when they pay for something that they think it will be an all inclusive package. As others noted. Read and if something is not clear to you, call and ask. They should time how long it takes for them to get a clear response that might be a good indicative point if they call for legal help.
by superstar
Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:51 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Self defense isurance
Replies: 33
Views: 8741

Re: Self defense isurance

twomillenium wrote:Make sure that your are aware of self defense insurance and pre-paid legal service. There is a difference.
+1 million. This!

From one of those shields sites... " This Legal Service Contract is not an insurance contract." "...is not a law firm and any legal services are provided by independent third-party contracting attorneys."

Think about that. You might as well put aside a little money for the a problem arises fund. The attorney can not represent you when your case goes to the grand jury, it is just you, the grand jury and the prosecutor presenting the case, and if it is a bill then that's when I would start looking for one and not what a legal service would recommend.

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