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Excellent analysis, by the way.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

vincentjus wrote:Sorry I haven't been on in a while. (Started a new job with overtime) I went with a Maverick 88 since parts and ammo are widely available and it makes a good hunting weapon. A rifle is next on my wish list. Either a Mosin Nagant or Remington 700. Thoughts on those two? That's a ways off so the Mav 88 will do for now. BTW, I did use an acronym that got changed to "a problem arises."

vincentjus,

.....To answer your question (in red above), there is simply no comparison between a Mosin Nagant and a Remington 700. The Mosin is a good, functional, milsurp bolt rifle. The Remington 700 is a much later design, and far more accurate. The bolt will cycle more smoothly. The rifle will weigh less. The Mosin is like an antique steam powered farm tractor to the R700's Porsche.

The Mosin will set you back $150 or so and is available in one caliber: 7.62x54 Russian. The R700 will set you back upwards of $600 for an entry level model and is available in a broad array of calibers.

I am adding that I have recently acquired my first Mosin Nagant ($175), and I have been the owner of a fat-barreled R700 in .308 for a few years now, so I'm in the position now to make an actual comparison.....although I haven't been to the range with both together yet. BTW, I also own a Ruger Gunsite Scout in .308, and while there is no doubt that the R700 is the better rifle for long range shooting, the RGS is the more versatile of the three rifles and still has a nice fit and finish to it. I like it a lot. One of the things that makes a comparison between the three rifles valid is that the 7.62x54R cartridge the Mosin fires is ballistically similar to the .308/7.62 NATO fired by the other two rifles.

All three rifles are probably equally reliable. All three have a 90º bolt lift, but the Remy and the Ruger have a shorter throw. The Ruger and the Mosin both have iron sights from the factory. The Ruger's system uses a ghost ring rear sight, adjustable for elevation and windage, with a protected blade front sight. The Mosin has a ladder type rear sight with graduations from 100m to 2000m, and a front post protected by a hood, which is drift adjustable for windage. The Ruger also comes with a picatinny rail mounted forward of the action to mount intermediate to long eye-relief scopes. The Ruger has a cage type flash hider. The Remington has a 4 round internal magazine with a detachable floor plate. The Mosin has a 10 round internal magazine which can accept stripper clips and has a detachable floor plate. The Ruger comes with a steel detachable box magazine manufactured by Accuracy International, and the Ruger online store sells 10, 5, and 3 round polymer box magazines that are kinda-sorta PMAG-like. Fit and finish on the Remington and Ruger are very much superior to the Mosin (and my Mosin is an excellent example of the breed in extraordinarily good condition), but the Mosin has had an arsenal rebuild and has all the bluing, good furniture, and a tight clean bore.

Up to this point, here are the standings:

First place: Remington
Second place (close): Ruger
Third place: Mosin Nagant (not even close)

Now, here's the two kickers:

Investment in the Remington, including scope/rings: approximately $1,500.00.
Investment in the Ruger, including scope/rings: approximately $1,400.00.
Investment in the Mosin Nagant: $175.00

Ammo for the Remington and the Ruger: almost impossible to find right now, but figure on average in normal times about $1.50/round.

Ammo for the Mosin Nagant: 440 rounds for $79.95.

See where I'm headed with this?

vincentjus wrote:Sorry I haven't been on in a while. (Started a new job with overtime) I went with a Maverick 88 since parts and ammo are widely available and it makes a good hunting weapon. A rifle is next on my wish list. Either a Mosin Nagant or Remington 700. Thoughts on those two? That's a ways off so the Mav 88 will do for now. BTW, I did use an acronym that got changed to "a problem arises."

vincentjus,

A) We have pretty strict rules about language here. We call it the "10 year old daughter rule." ......as in, if you wouldn't let someone speak to your ten year old daughter that way, then don't post it here.

B) To answer your question (in red above), there is simply no comparison between a Mosin Nagant and a Remington 700. The Mosin is a good, functional, milsurp bolt rifle. The Remington 700 is a much later design, and far more accurate. The bolt will cycle more smoothly. The rifle will weigh less. The Mosin is like an antique steam powered farm tractor to the R700's Porsche.

The Mosin will set you back $150 or so and is available in one caliber: 7.62x54 Russian. The R700 will set you back upwards of $600 for an entry level model and is available in a broad array of calibers.

AndyC wrote:What do you want to do with it?

"Something arises" = TEOTWAWKI