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locke_n_load wrote:So they get online instruction from some big business website and come to us for 1 hour of shooting. Sorry, only going to profit gun ranges there. If anyone could make the online training, cool. But having requirements for previous online training experience shuts out almost everyone.

In response to John: My defensive driving was not live. It was recorded, with no way to ask questions.

One hour of range training *followed* by shooting proficiency. We just have no idea what the range training would be.

jmorris wrote:
And explain this one to me.

A qualified handgun instructor shall require an
applicant who successfully completed an online version of the
classroom instruction part of the handgun proficiency course to
complete not less than one hour but not more than two hours of the
range instruction part of the handgun proficiency course before
allowing a physical demonstration of handgun proficiency as
described by Subsection (d)(2).

The range instruction part of the course? Didn't see that in the four parts required to be taught.

OK, rereading it, I evidently read over this part too fast. DPS would have to add another section.for range instruction. So, will this apply only to online students?

(a) The director by rule shall establish minimum standards
for handgun proficiency and shall develop a course to teach handgun
proficiency and examinations to measure handgun proficiency. The
course to teach handgun proficiency is required for each person who
seeks to obtain a license and must contain training sessions
divided into two parts. One part of the course must be classroom
instruction and the other part must be range instruction and an
actual demonstration by the applicant of the applicant's ability to
safely and proficiently use a handgun. An applicant must be able to
demonstrate, at a minimum, the degree of proficiency that is
required to effectively operate a handgun of .32 caliber or above.

Lambda Force wrote:My only objection is not requiring the written test be taken in person, like all my online classes required for the final exam. If they have to shoot in person, why not spend an extra 10 minutes to do the written exam at the same time?

Not that it really matters to me anyway until HB560 or equivalent passes.

Who says the same instructor will be doing both? For $20 I'll provide the class to as many people as can log on and email them a CHL-100 with the classroom instruction part signed. Go find your own instructor for range proficiency.

I think all my online classes in the last ten or so years (not college, may be different) included on on-line exam.

kg5ie wrote:I, for one, think this is great if it makes it. There is lots of business out there with folks who would do the class online if they could. Just like online college courses. Teach via conference call and Skype.

Actually, when I first read this bill I did not read it as online instruction being video conferencing but an online program.

I see a couple problems with your average LTC instructor getting certified to teach online. First, the requirements.

(a-1) The director may certify as an approved online course provider a person who has:
(1) at least three years of experience in providing online instruction;
(2) experience working with governmental entities;
and
(3) direct knowledge of handgun training.

How many instructors can meet (1)? I've conducted several training video conferences over the years as part of my IT job but nowhere is that documented. And we'll have to see how they define (2). Having worked for the feds for the last seven years and as a government contractor for 20 years before that I'd say I'd had a good chance of meeting that one.

And how are you going go conduct the test in a video conference? Myself, I'd use something like Brainsbuilder (https://www.brainsbuilder.com/pricing.html) but if, like me, you provide them with a copy of CHl-16 and your slides, it's now an open book test.

Which brings up, how do you get them and you a signed copy of the CHL-100? Sign, scan, email, sign, scan, email it back an forth? Could build the CHL-100 form in Acrobat to be digitally signed by both parties.

What I see is some online instruction company getting one of it's programmers certified, creating a online course such as the NRA Basic Pistol online course and charging $20 for it.

And explain this one to me.

A qualified handgun instructor shall require an
applicant who successfully completed an online version of the
classroom instruction part of the handgun proficiency course to
complete not less than one hour but not more than two hours of the
range instruction part of the handgun proficiency course before
allowing a physical demonstration of handgun proficiency as
described by Subsection (d)(2).

The range instruction part of the course? Didn't see that in the four parts required to be taught.