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by jmra
Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:28 pm
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Volunteer School Defense Forces?
Replies: 46
Views: 9052

Re: Volunteer School Defense Forces?

benenglishtx wrote:
jmra wrote:
benenglishtx wrote:You'd get called in to the local police as "suspected pedophile loitering near children" within minutes.
I would say that depends on the size of the school and your relationship with administration and the community.
I must strongly disagree. If you actually live in some place so cohesive, so small, and with such stellar community communication channels that you can establish a relationship with not just the school administration and the community but with every single person driving every single car that might pass your position, then I truly envy you.

If the location on your profile is correct, then you are too near the DFW Metroplex for that to be the case. The complete insanity of some overprotective parents cannot be appreciated until you've experienced it. There are far too many people out there who feel that anyone who so much as glances at their kid is obviously up to no good. Irrational paranoia is the new normal for far too many parents.

An illustration? We now have an "improper photography" statute in Texas. Some guy was taking pictures of pretty girls in a public place. We're talking about fully clothed teens, here. Somebody thought that was creepy, called the police, and they couldn't do anything. You don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy when you're in public; anyone can take your picture. Pressure was put on the legislature to "do something" and they did. They hid it behind a veil of "stopping upskirting" but what they actually did was make it illegal for you to shoot pictures of others in public if your purpose is later judged unseemly.

Yes, it's thoughtcrime and anyone who values liberty should decry the way the law is written; it's ripe for abuse. My point, though, is that an hysterical attitude of "The pedophiles are out to get my precious darling!" is not just pervasive these days; it's actually so pervasive that it's been codified into law.

Let me reiterate - If your opinion is correct where you live, I think you live in such a great place I'd consider moving there. I'm envious and more power to you.

Now, to put this into the context of the thread - I'm willing to bet that just about any local effort to get volunteers to provide security at schools will get derailed as soon as the first "helicopter parent" of a "special snowflake" child stands up at a planning meeting and declares "The only men who would actually volunteer for a job like this are just looking for an excuse to get close to kids. The volunteers will probably all be pedophiles! Kill this idea now!"

Addendum - I just went back and re-read this entire thread to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding anything. I caught where you told someone to call you "ma'am" instead of "sir". That explains a lot. Generally, women aren't subject to what men have to deal with in this area. As a man, though, I can tell you that if I were to so much as smile and wave at the toddler in the child seat of the shopping cart in front of me in the checkout line at the local grocery store, a sizable chunk of the population will assume I'm a pedophile, glare at me like I just stomped a kitten to death, and pull their child out of the seat and onto their hip in a heartbeat. I look like Santa Claus, with a big white beard and giant belly to go with it. Little kids frequently look at me, smile, and wave. Most parents assess the situation correctly and just go about their business. Some, though, have gone positively ape when I returned that smile and wave; I no longer do.
Clarifications:
1. My kids attend a charter school. Parents often congregate outside the school building for hours at a time (school doesn't have bus service so a lot of families have at least one stay at home parent). A lot of PTO items actually get addressed during these social get togethers. So it would not be out of place at all for a parent to be in front of the school.
2. I did not tell someone else to call me ma'am - I suggested that they call Crossfire ma'am.
3. We have many parents and grandparents who are retired military that spend a lot of time around the school doing volunteer work. Many have CHLs. No problem as long as they don't enter the building with their CC.

I realize this is very different than many others situation but I also believe where there is a will there is a way. Create a legitimate reason to be there if you need to. The bad guys do it all the time. Perhaps if we want to beat the bad guy we need to learn how they do things and beat them at their own game.
by jmra
Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:24 am
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Volunteer School Defense Forces?
Replies: 46
Views: 9052

Re: Volunteer School Defense Forces?

benenglishtx wrote:
jmra wrote:Of course there is another way to do this. If you have your CHL - lock and load, grab a lawn chair and sit in front of the school of your choice. Make sure you have your cell phone to report anything that doesn't look right. Just a thought...
Texas and the U.S. haven't gone as nuts in this area as, say, Great Britain, but just try and see what happens. I used to be a photographer and "street photography" (ala' Henri Cartier-Bresson or even Weegee) was once considered a noble calling; just try taking pictures of kids not your own in a public park these days. Try sitting outside a school and keeping watch.

You'd get called in to the local police as "suspected pedophile loitering near children" within minutes.
I would say that depends on the size of the school and your relationship with administration and the community.
by jmra
Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:01 am
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Volunteer School Defense Forces?
Replies: 46
Views: 9052

Re: Volunteer School Defense Forces?

cyphur wrote:
Crossfire wrote:Absolutely. And already signed up.

You should too! http://nraschoolshield.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thank you sir, I have now as well!
Might want to change that to "ma'am".
by jmra
Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:13 pm
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Volunteer School Defense Forces?
Replies: 46
Views: 9052

Re: Volunteer School Defense Forces?

chasfm11 wrote:
MeMelYup wrote: Why are they having such a hard time passing CHL carry on college campuses here in Texas?
Because the college and university presidents are flaming antis and put up a huge fuss with a lot of misleading "facts" last session.
Yep, and most public school district superintendents are university president wannabes.
by jmra
Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:30 am
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Volunteer School Defense Forces?
Replies: 46
Views: 9052

Re: Volunteer School Defense Forces?

Having already received feedback from some Superintendents, I can tell you that armed volunteers (non-LEO) will never be allowed in schools.

It will be a big enough battle getting school boards to approve employee carry in schools (I don't see that happening either). The best I believe we can hope for is additional LEO and perhaps administrators with CHLs being allowed to carry.

It all comes down to liability. The lawyers and bean counters believe there is a greater likelihood of one of our guns becoming an issue on their campus than a bad guys.

For those who are thinking of going through the Academy to get a commission in order to be a legally armed volunteer...as someone else stated, plan on spending $2500 - $3500 and approximately 720 hours of training. You must pass all written and physical aspects of the program. Think boot camp and college rolled into one.

Here's some info from Cedar Valley College Police Academy.
Full time day classes are 8 hours a day 5 days a week for 5 months.
Night classes are 4 hours a night 5 nights a week for 8 months.


Full-time day course(s), 7:45 a.m. - 5:00 p.m., MTWRF:
Class #63 - Course Number: Spring 2012 CJLE1006-34163
Classes run January 23, 2012 - June 22, 2012
Class #65 - Course Number: Summer One 2012 CLJE 1066-34165
Classes run August 13, 2012 - December 14, 2012

Part-time evening course(s), 6:30 p.m. - 10:30 p.m., MTWRF:
Class #64 - Course Number: Spring 2012 CJLE1006-34164
Classes run March 19, 2012 - November 28, 2012
Class #66 - Course Number: Fall 2012 CLJE1006-34166
Classes run September 10, 2012 - May 25, 2013

Part-time day course(s), 7:45 a.m. - 12:00 noon, MTWRF
Class #62 - Course Number: Spring 2012 CJLE1006-34162
Classes run January 23, 2012 - October 12, 2012

For more information on our upcoming classes, call the Cedar Valley College law Enforcement Academy at (972) 860-8289, or email us at ghunter@dcccd.edu, or bnorton@dcccd.edu.

Basic Peace Officer Course Curriculum

The Cedar Valley College Law Enforcement Academy Basic Peace Officer course shall be in accordance with Commission regulations. It shall consist of 720 hours and shall include, but not be limited to, the subjects set forth below:

1. Introduction and Orientation - 8 hours
Fitness and Wellness, and Stress Management - 14 hours
Professional Policing - 10 hours
Professionalism and Ethics - 8 hours
U.S. & Texas Constitutions, Bill of Rights, and Criminal Justice System - 12 hours
Multiculturalism and Human Relations - 12 hours
Code of Criminal Procedure - 16 hours
Arrest, Search, and Seizure - 24 hours
Penal Code - 40 hours
Traffic - 68 hours
Intoxicated Driver and SFST - 24 hours
Civil Process - 8 hours
Alcoholic Beverage Code - 4 hours
Health and Safety Code – Controlled Substances Act - 8 hours
Family Code – Juvenile Issues - 10 hours
Written Communications - 16 hours
Spanish - 16 hours
Force Options - 24 hours
Mechanics of Arrest - 40 hours
Firearms - 48 hours
Emergency Medical Assistance - 16 hours
Emergency Communications - 12 hours
Professional Police Driving - 32 hours
Communication and Problem Solving - 16 hours
Patrol/Consular Notification - 48 hours
Victims of Crime - 10 hours
Family Violence and Related Assaultive Offenses - 20 hours
Crisis Intervention Training (CIT) and Mental Health Code - 24 hours
Hazardous Materials Awareness - 6 hours
Criminal Investigation - 44 hours
Including: Introduction, General, Protection of and Crime Scene Search, Interviewing Techniques, Booking Procedures, Courtroom Demeanor and Testimony, Case Management
Patrol Practicals - 16 hours
How to Market Yourself - 8 hours
Review for TCLEOSE State Exam - 40 hours
Physical Training - TBA
Total: 720 Hours

Of course there is another way to do this. If you have your CHL - lock and load, grab a lawn chair and sit in front of the school of your choice. Make sure you have your cell phone to report anything that doesn't look right. Just a thought...

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