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KC5AV - yessir. Left side of room. Second row. 1st seat from the middle.

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:38 am

KC5AV wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:07 am

jmorris wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:07 pm

troglodyte wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:32 pm

KC5AV wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:08 pm Ten hour round-trip drive, and a night in a hotel, and the 'class' lasted 1 hour. That 1 hour included the time to take the test and have it graded.

12 hours round-trip, hotel, and a PTO day. I overheard one gentleman say he was from Stratford.

They couldn't give a good answer to most of the questions. You'd think the DPS would anticipate the most common questions and get the AG to make an interpretation.

I was hoping for a better answer to if an LTC could carry under "Permitless Carry" if a business posted a 30.06/30.07 sign but no 30.05.

I asked the instructor about that during the break and he said that they were aware of the traffic that question is generating but DPS had not gotten any clarification.

That’s actually one of the questions I was waiting to have brought up yesterday. The RSD guys had little to say, but one guy said he’d spoken to a judge who indicated that, once your ID revealed that you were an LTC holder, they’d likely be harsher on you because you obviously had intent to violate 30.06/30.07. Take that for what it’s worth.

Well, the followup question to that judge should have been something like, "But if someone without a permit walks past those .06/.07 signs, it's okay because they didn't have an LTC, and there was no 30.05 sign?"

Like I said previously on the subject, this law will need a "cleanup bill" to clarify how this is really supposed to work.

This is my take on it. If a business wants to keep anyone with a gun (assuming the bearer is law-abiding) out then they need to post a 05,06, and 07. If it is just an 06/07 then an LTC should be able to carry under Permitless. I don't see anything that says an LTC gives up their right to carry permitlessly just because they have a license.

I did find it interesting that the LEOs are being taught the 30.05 has to have the same sign requirements of the 06/07, assuming that gentleman was correct. He seemed to be reading from something official in nature.

KC5AV wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:07 am

jmorris wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:07 pm

troglodyte wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:32 pm

KC5AV wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:08 pm Ten hour round-trip drive, and a night in a hotel, and the 'class' lasted 1 hour. That 1 hour included the time to take the test and have it graded.

12 hours round-trip, hotel, and a PTO day. I overheard one gentleman say he was from Stratford.

They couldn't give a good answer to most of the questions. You'd think the DPS would anticipate the most common questions and get the AG to make an interpretation.

I was hoping for a better answer to if an LTC could carry under "Permitless Carry" if a business posted a 30.06/30.07 sign but no 30.05.

I asked the instructor about that during the break and he said that they were aware of the traffic that question is generating but DPS had not gotten any clarification.

That’s actually one of the questions I was waiting to have brought up yesterday. The RSD guys had little to say, but one guy said he’d spoken to a judge who indicated that, once your ID revealed that you were an LTC holder, they’d likely be harsher on you because you obviously had intent to violate 30.06/30.07. Take that for what it’s worth.

I stopped listening to that guy when he started talking about his airplane.

KC5AV wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:08 pm Ten hour round-trip drive, and a night in a hotel, and the 'class' lasted 1 hour. That 1 hour included the time to take the test and have it graded.

12 hours round-trip, hotel, and a PTO day. I overheard one gentleman say he was from Stratford.

They couldn't give a good answer to most of the questions. You'd think the DPS would anticipate the most common questions and get the AG to make an interpretation.

I was hoping for a better answer to if an LTC could carry under "Permitless Carry" if a business posted a 30.06/30.07 sign but no 30.05.