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by LostInAustin
Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:22 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Ball ammo for self defense
Replies: 26
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Re: Ball ammo for self defense

BTW karder...my carry is my Commander and I love it. You are correct, it eats anything and cries for more! I load with 185 JHP Sabers or 230 JHP Dots. No probs! I practice double taps (not PC) and failure drills (PC) every chance I get at the range. Sometimes the range master will hear me and "frown" upon me but if the range is not crowded he doesn't tell me to stop.
by LostInAustin
Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:15 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Ball ammo for self defense
Replies: 26
Views: 2662

Re: Ball ammo for self defense

srothstein wrote:...practice tactics instead of worrying about the ammo. The ammo choice won't make much different for a vest. The tactics are called a failure drill or a Mozambique drill. The old version was two tot he chest and one to the head. The original Mozambique was two to the chest, one to the head, and one to the hips (or so I was told).

Most police now are practicing failure drills as two shots to the center of mass, then aiming for the pelvic girdle (hips). A shot to the pelvic girdle is more likely to stop or slow the attacker than any not immediately fatal shot. It is also much easier to shoot the pelvic girdle than the head because it moves less as the person is walking or running and is larger than the head.

I am of the opinion that good tactics is usually a better choice than worrying about the weapon or ammo. There is very little effective difference in good quality equipment (just make sure you do have good quality), even in the different calibers. Whether you like Glock or 1911, JHP or FMJ, 9mm or .45acp, the tactics and shot placement are almost always going to be the determining factor, IMO. the rest is personal choice though it MIGHT make a slight difference.
:iagree: totally! Tactics trumps caliber! :thumbs2: Now, having said that :roll: , if I can get an edge using the laws of physics (you can back me up Lonewolf ;-) ) then I will use larger mass, higher velocity, or a comfortable combination of the two.

Carry what you can comfortably shoot and control, and place your shots. One of Jeff Cooper's students, Mike Rousseau, is credited with the Mozambique Drill. Cooper taught 2 shot COM and when Rousseau used this technique in Mozambique, he still had BG walking towards him with and AK-47. He quickly assessed the need for a third shot and placed it in the head area. Cooper reassessed and re-instructed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambique_Drill

http://www.thegunzone.com/lore.html
karder wrote:Currently I am carrying a Colt Commander .45, which feeds everything I have tried in it. I am carrying JHP in the first clip for standard self-defense. I am then carrying two spare clips which I am loading with FMJ. I understand that if I have a shooter wearing a NIJ Type IIIA vest, FMJ won't likely penetrate, but still may provide more shock. Am I way off base here with my ammo choice? Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Way off base?.... :???: I think not. Put two in the chest. If BG still standing, put one in the eye/nose triangle. BG still standing, empty the .45 in the chest/neck/head/pelvic girdle/foot/knee cap (where ever you can hit) then turn and run! And pray! :mrgreen:

And BTW...Mozambique Drill- not PC. :nono: Failure Drill - is PC. :thumbs2:

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