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DO NOT POST DIRECT DPS PHONE NUMBERS!!!

Last post by Charles L. Cotton « Mon May 16, 2016 3:42 pm
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by Charles L. Cotton » Mon May 16, 2016 3:42 pm » in Site Announcements, Questions & Suggestions

Don't even think of posting the direct line phone numbers to the DPS Director or anyone else within DPS. If the number isn't available on the DPS...

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2023 Legislative Session

Last post by chasfm11 « Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:54 am
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by Papa_Tiger » Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:49 am

Early filing has started for the 2023-24 legislative session in Texas!

Yesterday there were 653 bills pre-filed in the House (Bills 1-20 are...

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Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:54 am
Wait 'til next year. 2023 Edition

Last post by Scott in Houston « Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:11 pm
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by tomneal » Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:22 pm

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Yes. I know there is an election next Tuesday. I am counting my Texas Legislators before they're elected.

What is on your list for next years...

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I've seen it and I choose not to say a word. :tiphat:

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Last post by Scott in Houston
Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:11 pm
Texas-Made Suppressors Exempt From NFA Regulations HB 957

Last post by ELB « Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:44 pm
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by troglodyte » Sat May 22, 2021 5:45 pm
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I missed this one somewhere

The Senate pass HB 957 so it is on the way to Abbot's desk. If he signs, it appears it will still need to get through...

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The Texas suppressor law lives still…
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Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:44 pm
2022 assault Weapons Ban

Last post by Rafe « Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:47 pm
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by howdy » Fri Jul 29, 2022 1:30 pm
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This is the law that will be voted on by the House

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I immediately looked at my AR pistol, confirmed it had a stabilizer brace, and thought: Oh, wow! Have I owned a fully automatic weapon all these...
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Last post by Rafe
Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:47 pm
Run-off election eligibility

Last post by LDB415 « Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:00 am
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by LDB415 » Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:25 pm

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Perhaps only those who vote in the initial primary should be allowed to vote in a run-off election. If you don't care enough to vote initially why...

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On the one hand I agree completely. On the other I don't want the democrats flooding the republican runoff to alter the legitimate outcome. So if...

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Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:00 am
NRA "neutral" on updated VAWA in Omnibus spending bill?

Last post by AndyC1911 « Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:47 pm
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by K.Mooneyham » Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:58 pm

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So, I will not post the link here because I never know what videos are allowed or not allowed. However, I just got done watching a YT video where it...

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Thank you for the info, Charles.

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Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:47 pm
Rule Change Needed: 51% At Stadiums and Arenas

Last post by RoyGBiv « Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:50 pm
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by RoyGBiv » Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:00 am

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Wife and I went to see Michael Buble at Dickie's Arena in FTW last night. Checking the TABC website, it shows that the location is Gun Sign: Red ,...

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:lol:

Really a great show. Wife's music more than mine, but I never mind going.
Makes wife frisky. :mrgreen:

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Last post by RoyGBiv
Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:50 pm
New special session

Last post by crazy2medic « Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:31 am
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by Soccerdad1995 » Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:19 pm
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I know that we are planning a new special session (I believe to begin September 20?). Does anyone know the scope of this session with regard to...

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I feel your pain, but I know enough about how that vaccine works to not allow them to inject me with it
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Last post by crazy2medic
Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:31 am
Dem lawmakers fleeing Texas

Last post by Scott Farkus « Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:39 pm
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by Soccerdad1995 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:48 pm
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If there is another active thread on this, I apologize. I couldn't find one.

Now that a large number of Democratic state legislators have fled Texas...

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Oh it's even worse than that - this guy was in LEADERSHIP. Phelan gave him the CHAIR of the Urban Affairs committee.

This is how these people repay...
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Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:39 pm
HB 1927 on the Senate floor now

Last post by oljames3 « Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:14 pm
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by jerry_r60 » Wed May 05, 2021 11:25 am
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HB 1927 is on the Senate floor now and live:

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Texas lawyers explain.

See page 22 of the T-L-S Texas Constitutional Carry Guide.
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Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:14 pm
SCR 20, Recognizing the 1847 Colt Walker pistol as the official handgun of the State of Texas.

Last post by puma guy « Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:43 am
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by ELB » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:29 pm

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:txflag:

Governor signed this on 24 May.

Missed it completely until I saw an article about it earlier today.

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Dang it. Now I may have...

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:lol:

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Last post by puma guy
Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:43 am
New Suppressor Law = No Good

Last post by nightmare69 « Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:10 am
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by Caliber » Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:26 pm
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I contacted a suppressor manufacturer. They said the new Texas law changes nothing because FFL's and SOT's still have to follow federal law. So, I...

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I cannot wait to slap a “Made in Texas” suppressor on my AR. Maybe the prices will drop some as well.
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Last post by nightmare69
Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:10 am
HB 1927 (Unlicensed Carry) Signs

Last post by ScottDLS « Thu May 27, 2021 4:11 pm
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by Papa_Tiger » Mon May 24, 2021 11:33 am

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I posted this in the Senate Discussion thread, but thought it might be better to have discussion about this topic in a separate threat.

Based on my...

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And it was never established that 30.05(b) was a way to preclude a person entering under some particular conditions (like if carrying or wearing MAGA...

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Last post by ScottDLS
Thu May 27, 2021 4:11 pm
HB 956, Removing LRK restriction, passed House, left pending in Senate

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by ELB » Tue May 25, 2021 10:54 am

The article says the bill is bottled up in the Senate State Affairs Committee, apparently because Democrat committee member Senator Lucio doesn't...

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Last post by ELB
Tue May 25, 2021 10:54 am
HB2622 passes , creates sanctuary state

Last post by jerry_r60 « Tue May 25, 2021 9:02 am
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by gtolbert09 » Mon May 24, 2021 4:34 pm

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HB 2622 on its way to he Gov ‘s desk for a signature. Creates 2A sanctuary state.

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I'm not seeing language the protects against an assault weapons ban or a high capacity magazine ban. Am I missing something. Don't get me wrong, I'm...

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Last post by jerry_r60
Tue May 25, 2021 9:02 am
Wholesale elimination

Last post by G.A. Heath « Mon May 24, 2021 2:18 pm
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by LDB415 » Sun May 23, 2021 6:29 pm

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After Phelan's latest bull move it is time to have a wholesale elimination of fake republicans and replace the whole lot with good people who will do...

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It should, but with Phelan playing games with Senate priority legislation the Senate might return the favor on a bill(s) the house has a stake in.

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Last post by G.A. Heath
Mon May 24, 2021 2:18 pm
HB 1407 Passed

Last post by powerboatr « Fri May 21, 2021 8:45 pm
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by jerry_r60 » Thu May 20, 2021 1:51 pm

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HB 1407 Just passed the Senate without amendment so it goes on to the Governor. This one is similar to SB 550 and I wasn't sure if SB 550 covered...

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wow,
i always place my pistol in the holster in the lower door pocket, having it on my right hip and belted in is a PITA and super uncomfy

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Last post by powerboatr
Fri May 21, 2021 8:45 pm
SB 550 Passed

Last post by Flightmare « Wed May 19, 2021 5:51 pm
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by jerry_r60 » Wed May 19, 2021 2:31 pm

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It looks like SB 550 has passed the house without amendment. I think this one goes on the Governor next. This one removes shoulder or belt from...

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And that is my only argument. I appreciate the language, I just want it to come from passage of 1927. SB 550 is good, HB 1927 is much better....only...

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Last post by Flightmare
Wed May 19, 2021 5:51 pm
Did HB 1407 Die

Last post by jerry_r60 « Mon May 17, 2021 9:28 am
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by jerry_r60 » Mon May 17, 2021 8:27 am

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Did HB 1407 die? It looked like it was moving along nicely and seems to have died at the 1 yard line. Made it through the house and then senate...

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Ahh....good observation.

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Last post by jerry_r60
Mon May 17, 2021 9:28 am
SB 19 - No Gov Contracts for Financial institutions blocking firearms co

Last post by jerry_r60 « Mon May 17, 2021 8:34 am
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by jerry_r60 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:24 am

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SB 19 has passed to engrossment in the senate. From the bill Analysis:
S.B. 19 would prevent any company with at least 10 employees from the benefits...

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SB 19 made it out of the House on 5/13 but not without an amendment so now back to the Senate.

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Last post by jerry_r60
Mon May 17, 2021 8:34 am
TX: Lt Gov Patrick says not enough Senate votes to pass Con Carry

Last post by RHenriksen « Wed May 05, 2021 12:04 pm
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by ELB » Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:46 pm
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It takes 18 votes in the Senate to pass a bill. There are 18 Republican senators. This should be a no-brainer.

The way the article quotes Patrick it...

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I can't bring myself to listen to Hinojosa
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Last post by RHenriksen
Wed May 05, 2021 12:04 pm
Any updates?

Last post by eyedoc « Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:46 am
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by K.Mooneyham » Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:31 am
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Good day to you all,

I have noticed there is very little talk about the current legislative session. There isn't even a separate section set up for...

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from the NRA

While reports about the House passing House Bill 1927, NRA-backed permitless carry legislation, dominated the news this week, there...
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Last post by eyedoc
Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:46 am
If Const. Carry passes, a signage question

Last post by LDB415 « Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:58 pm
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by toddlinder » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:26 pm
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If constitutional carry were to pass it appears the current 30.06/30.07 would be changed from licensed holder to person which would mean the signs...

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30.06, 30.07. 14.29, 53.71, 29.29, and BR549. Way too many numbers and way too many rules and way too many exceptions for this that and the other....
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Last post by LDB415
Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:58 pm
HB 121

Last post by ScottDLS « Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:05 pm
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by nightmare69 » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:09 am

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Took my legal update from TCOLE and it spoke briefly about HB 121. What I gathered is the 06/07 signs are moot until you receive verbal warning to...

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My understanding is that it is quite uncommon to be arrested for a class C misdemeanor where the penalty cannot include jail time anyway. It seems...

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Last post by ScottDLS
Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:05 pm
TX: 87R 2021 Session HB1238 Con Carry

Last post by RHenriksen « Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:42 pm
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by ELB » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:58 pm

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While this is Constitutional Carry bill, it is NOT a companion to Springer's SB540 in the Senate.

As I write this it is authored by Biedermann and...

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Wow! Feeling optimistic about CC in Texas for the first time :thewave

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Last post by RHenriksen
Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:42 pm
HB 1911 Question

Last post by RoyGBiv « Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:54 pm
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by jerry_r60 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:56 pm

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If I'm following HB 1911 correctly it seems to improve several things however I don't understand one part. It seems to remove any defense for having...

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Legislative drafting is best viewed when freshly caffeinated, after a good night sleep, IF you want to really read it.

Reading it before bedtime is...

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Last post by RoyGBiv
Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:54 pm
HB 1856

Last post by srothstein « Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:41 pm
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by jmorris » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:26 pm

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From FB post by TSRA. I did not think this was an issue. My understanding always was that licensed or not, the hotel/motel could not stop you from...

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This means that the bill is still alive in the committee and may be passed out of committee anytime the committee decides to. They may be looking for...

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Last post by srothstein
Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:41 pm
Attending Legislative Session

Last post by oljames3 « Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:14 am
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by LSUTiger » Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:53 pm

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A friend and I are planning to attend the Thursday March 25th, 2021 hearings on Constitutional Carry at the TX Capital.

It’s our first time...

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The Texas affiliate of the Gun Owners of America has a lot of info.

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Last post by oljames3
Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:14 am
Abolish DST in Texas

Last post by RSX11 « Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:54 pm
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by oohrah » Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:38 am

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Not gun related, but something I think we should get behind.

Sen. Judith Zaffirini (D-Laredo) filed Senate Joint Resolution (SJR) 13, which would...

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If we want to abolish DST, we should start saying that it's racist. Then the lefties will get it cancelled for us.

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Last post by RSX11
Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:54 pm
TX: 87R 2021 Session SB546 Expand places LTC can carry

Last post by ralewis « Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:43 pm
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by ELB » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:48 pm

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SB 546 Relating to the places where a person may carry a handgun if the person is licensed to carry a handgun and to certain related criminal...

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Hope this has legs. The last several sessions we haven't had any progress on eliminating off limits places.

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Last post by ralewis
Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:43 pm
Texas House Committee Assignments announced

Last post by K.Mooneyham « Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:30 am
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by KC5AV » Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:09 pm
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Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:30 am
TX: 87R 2021 Session SB550 Just a holster

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by ELB » Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:16 pm

SB 550 by Springer deletes the words belt or shoulder, leaving holster all by itself.

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Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:16 pm
TX: 87R 2021 Session SB549 60% Sign

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by ELB » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:27 pm

This bill, by Springer, changes the threshold of gross receipts from the ABC permit holder’s sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises...

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Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:27 pm
TX: 87R 2021 Session SB540 Con Carry

Last post by yakadoo « Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:00 pm
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by ELB » Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:23 pm

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Senators Spring and Buckingham filed what appears to be a constitutional carry-like bill. I had a nice long detailed post on it and the forum ate it...

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This bill is a bit of a mess.

First, it adds language to 46.02 so that the current restrictions on unlicensed handgun carry apply only to people...

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Last post by yakadoo
Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:00 pm
Texas Senator Springer

Last post by crazy2medic « Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:02 pm
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by Jusme » Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:00 am

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Senator Drew Springer, From District 30 (not my district) has filed several bills this sessio, in defense of the 2A in Texas.

Here is his Senate...

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In the last runoff I voted for Shelley Luther, Drew Springer was too resistant to Constitutional Carry for my liking!

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Last post by crazy2medic
Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:02 pm
The race for Speaker of the Texas House

Last post by KC5AV « Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:30 pm
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by KC5AV » Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:37 am

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Since there’s no forum yet for the upcoming 87th legislature, I’ll just drop this here.
Yesterday, my state representative (HD9) Chris Paddie...

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I wonder when we will see his list of committee assignments.

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Last post by KC5AV
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:30 pm
Its Time to Texit.

Last post by Grayling813 « Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:54 pm
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by PriestTheRunner » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:00 pm
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Hello all,
Despite the sake of this being a political post, I hope the comments and discussions below can be respectful and considerate towards all...

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The leftist dream scenario of arresting Trump will be their worst nightmare.
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Last post by Grayling813
Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:54 pm
Houston Lawmakers Propose Ban on No-Knock Warrants

Last post by SewTexas « Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:55 pm
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by WildBill » Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:59 pm
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Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:55 pm
HB635 Pre-Filed creates Texas as a Gun Sanctuary State

Last post by Papa_Tiger « Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:42 pm
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by von Clausewitz » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:03 pm

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Rep Matt Krause of Fort Worth has pre-filed a bill that would prevent state and local law enforcement from assisting federal law enforcement from...

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Probably not.

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Last post by Papa_Tiger
Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:42 pm
Record Amount of Anti-2A Laws Introduced on 1st Day of TX Bill Pre-Filing

Last post by RoyGBiv « Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:08 am
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by AndyC » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:07 am
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HB304 looks dreamy....

It's impossible to even begin to predict what might happen until committee chairs are appointed and bills are assigned to...
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Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:08 am
Loss of gun rights and what can be done after.

Last post by Deitz83 « Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:52 pm
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by SickSilverado » Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:39 pm
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A guy here crossed the line with the law. He was completely wrong in his actions and then resisted arrest. I'm pretty sure he's gonna be charged with...

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Last post by Deitz83
Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:52 pm
Early Voting

Last post by ELB « Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:02 pm
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by crazy2medic » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:52 pm
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I went and Early voted today, I was surprised by the number of people running for president on the Republican ticket, of the names I saw only Trump...

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Worst patriarchical supremacist ever!
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Last post by ELB
Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:02 pm
Railroad commissioner

Last post by srothstein « Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:42 pm
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by The Annoyed Man » Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:45 am

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I can’t figure out where else to stick this.....

Who do you guys like for Railroad Commissioner, and why? There’s no way on God's green earth that...

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I do vote by party in elections where I don't know the candidates. Even so, I have long said that the two most important election reforms we can do...

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Last post by srothstein
Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:42 pm
Texas Gun Rights ???

Last post by 03Lightningrocks « Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:56 am
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by 03Lightningrocks » Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:24 pm

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There is a group called Texas Gun Rights advertising on Facebook for donations. They say they are trying to obtain constitutional carry in Texas....

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Thanks for the update. After reading the links in your post I had decided not to send any money their way. TSRA and NRA are better options for us...

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Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:56 am
TSRA = Texas State Rifle Association. All Texas gun owners should join.

Last post by JustSomeOldGuy « Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:24 pm
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by surprise_i'm_armed » Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:08 pm

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This past Friday and Saturday, the TSRA held its AGM (Annual General Meeting) at the Texas Rangers Museum in Waco.

As far as I could tell there were...

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I see that Life Member - Senior is only $300.00, and they have an installment option. Very nice. :mrgreen:
On the minus side, their website does not...

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Last post by JustSomeOldGuy
Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:24 pm
AZ: Arizona Senate Committee Approves City Liability for ‘Gun-Free’ Zones

Last post by crazy2medic « Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:46 pm
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by Flightmare » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:23 am

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A different version of fines for signs ?

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Would love too! Wonder if ol Phil king would submit it for me!

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Last post by crazy2medic
Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:46 pm
Senators = National Gun Registry

Last post by anygunanywhere « Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:52 am
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by chasfm11 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:21 pm

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OK, I know that this isn't going to go anywhere but the fact that it is being introduced and has so much support by Senators in public gives me pause

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Interesting article.

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Last post by anygunanywhere
Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:52 am
Anti Red Flag Bill Pre-filed in Oklahoma

Last post by The Annoyed Man « Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:55 pm
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by Treetop » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:26 pm

Does Texas already have a similar law on the books? If not, would a bill like this be a possibility during the 2021 legislative session? Here is a...

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Last post by The Annoyed Man
Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:55 pm
Bonnen will not seek re-election

Last post by SigSour « Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:32 pm
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by Kkpsiknl » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:58 am
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It appears that one of his chair committee appointees (Poncho Nevárez) has a bit of a problem...
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Last post by SigSour
Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:32 pm
Nov 5 2019 Elections-issues important to firearms owners?

Last post by powerboatr « Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:04 pm
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by Grayling813 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:57 am

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Are there any state wide elections tomorrow that we as firearms owners should be rallying around?

Any elections that freedom loving Texans in...

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oh i see what i did. i meant a YES vote would say NO to income tax...t

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Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:04 pm

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