Only one card to carry? HB 158

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Only one card to carry? HB 158

Postby jmorris » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:13 pm

The way I read this your DL will be able to do double duty as your CHL license.

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/83R/billtext/html/HB00158I.htm

Sec. 411.1795. DRIVER'S LICENSE DESIGNATION. (a) The department shall adopt rules allowing an applicant for the issuance, modification, or renewal of a license under this subchapter, in addition to or instead of being issued, modifying, or renewing the license, to elect to include on the person's driver's license a designation indicating that the person is licensed under this subchapter. The rules must include procedures to ensure that a person who makes an election under this section receives and maintains a designation on the person's driver's license only if the person meets the requirements for the issuance or modification and any necessary renewal of the license under this subchapter.
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Re: Only one card to carry? HB 158

Postby AEA » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:30 pm

jmorris wrote:The way I read this your DL will be able to do double duty as your CHL license.

[url][http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/83R/billtext/html/HB00158I.htm[/url]

Sec. 411.1795......................


Here......fixed it for ya!
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/83R/billtext/html/HB00158I.htm
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Re: Only one card to carry? HB 158

Postby bizarrenormality » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:32 pm

I don't want my CHL status on my DL but I'm sure it will appeal to the CHL Badge crowd.
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Re: Only one card to carry? HB 158

Postby RoyGBiv » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:33 pm

I don't want CHL noted on my DL.
Didn't read the bill... hopefully it won't be mandatory.
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Re: Only one card to carry? HB 158

Postby AEA » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:43 pm

Read the bill quickly.......could care less either way........
But if it passes how will this work?

You have a DL good for 5 years and a CHL that is good for 5 years. Both of them do not expire on the same date = problem.

You have a DL that also says CHL but your CHL expired (did not renew) 2 years before your DL expires = problem.
Get my drift.....several problems with this.........

This is a solution to a problem that does not exist. It's purpose is to show LEO's your CHL Status on your DL. If they have your DL, they already have your CHL status (CURRENT) on their computer flashing in BIG RED LETTERS!.
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Re: Only one card to carry? HB 158

Postby 2farnorth » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:13 pm

Keep them separate. If I get stopped in a 2A non-friendly state I don't want them to know about my CHL unless I tell them. I also don't want every Tom, Dave, and Henrietta that I have to show my DL for ID to know that I have a CHL. It's none of their business. :grumble
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Re: Only one card to carry? HB 158

Postby chasfm11 » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:30 pm

2farnorth wrote:Keep them separate. If I get stopped in a 2A non-friendly state I don't want them to know about my CHL unless I tell them. I also don't want every Tom, Dave, and Henrietta that I have to show my DL for ID to know that I have a CHL. It's none of their business. :grumble

AMEN! We may have to travel through a State like NJ or NY and I would hate for any LEO in either place to know about my CHL. When you add in the overlapping renewal problems, it sounds like a bureaucratic mess just waiting to happen.

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Re: Only one card to carry? HB 158

Postby OldCannon » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:57 am

From the FFL perspective:

A current Texas CHL is a valid replacement for an FBI background check. If we merge it into a driver's license withOUT any visible indicator, then the state would have to provide FFLs a way to verify a DL # against a CHL. Most likely the state won't bother with the cost/effort of setting such a system up.

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Re: Only one card to carry? HB 158

Postby AEA » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:23 am

I put on my Legal Glasses and read it a bit closer. It appears to be an optional choice to have it or not to have it on your DL.

Of course IANAL, so really I have no idea what it means! :smilelol5:

I do believe it will serve the purpose of taking up time in the process that may affect more desired legislation in this session. :banghead:
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Re: Only one card to carry? HB 158

Postby C-dub » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:26 am

I'm for keeping it separate, but the reason is probably to cut down on the cost. I am in favor of that, but like others have said, I don't want everyone I need to show my DL to know about my CHL. If the reason is to help cut down on the number of people that forget to display their license and inform a LEO requesting ID, I don't buy that. If they were worried about it they would not have removed the penalty for not doing so or just lowered it to a fine.
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Re: Only one card to carry? HB 158

Postby OldCannon » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:47 am

A couple comments:
1) Missouri has used the "CHL" stamp on driver's licenses for several years now to no apparent detriment to the safety of the license holder
2) There's no reason, really, that we can't apply the CHL designator on the BACK of the DL. Just flag the license with a "P" code (or something else) and show the CHL number on the back
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Re: Only one card to carry? HB 158

Postby RPB » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:28 am

If Texas does like some States do and use your Social Security Number as your Driver's License number, they could just put a checkmark on your Social Security Number database that you're *most likely* a gun owner since you have a CHL

I see that it solves the "I forgot to give my CHL to the officer with my TDL" ... but a strip of tape does that too;

I keep my CHL right behind my TDL and behind the CHL is my car insurance so the CHL is sandwiched between TDL and car insurance card and not forgotten in my wallet .

I'd prefer to make it my own choice whether to reveal a CHL status to the front desk lady at doctor's offices, bankers, store clerks and others asking for ID that see my TDL, but not my CHL... however, It's not nearly as important as getting more places we can legally carry... like inside school buildings when I pick up ill kids from the nurse and have to take my gun out and hide it in a car ... or college campus or the areas of the courthouse annex where the DPS, County Tax Assessor, County Tax Appraiser and other offices are in that same building as a Court, but in different hallways/areas etc
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Re: Only one card to carry? HB 158

Postby MoJo » Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:02 am

AEA wrote:I put on my Legal Glasses and read it a bit closer. It appears to be an optional choice to have it or not to have it on your DL.

Of course IANAL, so really I have no idea what it means! :smilelol5:

I do believe it will serve the purpose of taking up time in the process that may affect more desired legislation in this session. :banghead:


:iagree: It appears to be optional. It may die in committee. I won't do it if it is optional. My CHL status is "nunua" as in "Nunua bidness."
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Re: Only one card to carry? HB 158

Postby recaffeination » Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:04 pm

If the change made CHL renewals included free with DL renewals, it might be worth it. Otherwise it looks like a solution in search of a problem. Unless the "problem" is how Republicans can claim they pass "pro gun" legislation while continuing to block meaningful reform like campus carry.
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Re: Only one card to carry? HB 158

Postby TexasCajun » Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:50 pm

Yeah, a solution in search of a problem. I think this could be used as fodder to protect the more important issues (like campus carry).
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