Jumping Frog wrote: Charles L. Cotton wrote:
texanjoker wrote:If you are going to bring LEO's into this, post the proof. I have read Charles post that as well, but he won't post the stats he uses to justify it. If there is a new thread with those stats let me know. I am most interested in the LEO's if they are on or off duty incidents, but that is another topic.
If you want me to publish the proof here on the Forum, just say the word. I've refused to do so in the past for the reasons I've stated; I don't want to make this to appear as an attack on LEOs. You won't like it, but say the word I'll post it.
texanjoker, I hope by your comment that you are not impugning Mr. Cotton's accuracy or integrity. His reluctance to publicly publish those numbers has been explained with a perfectly understandable reason. Perhaps you are unaware that Mr. Cotton served in law enforcement for a long time himself, he simply doesn't tolerate blatant LEO bashing when he sees it, and thus has no desire to provide the ammunition to those who would be inclined to use the information in a more damaging fashion.
I'd respectfully recommend that if you are in fact curious about the statistics, then you address the question privately with Mr. Cotton via PM or email instead of publicly calling him out in his forum.
I am not questioning anything about Mr. Cotton as I respect what he does. I did reply to a person quoting a stat nobody has seen. As we have seen in the gun control issues each side comes up with their own stats. Frankly I still don't see why CHL want to keep comparing themselves to LEO's. IMO 2 different reasons for carrying one being defense and one being to do a job. But hey that is my opinion. I have said, including in this thread that CHL are not the problems. The stat I am interested in, which is what the anti's want, are stats showing CHL's doing bad things with the gun. There are not many incidents and that is why the anti's don't throw it out, as it doesn't exist. That shows the CHL program does work.
On all these arrest stats, regardless if chl/leo or neither, I would also like to see #of arrests vs #of convictions as people are innocent until proven guilty. Many people may get arrested and charges are dropped or they are found not guilty. This could show the likely hood that CHL are even more law abiding then what the stat is showing.
Here are some stats of PO license suspensions/revocations in TX. This comes after a LEO is arrested and it breaks it down by charge. It is all public info. There may be some dwi's that didn't get suspended, but I recently read about 75%? do loose their license for 10 years. http://www.tcleose.state.tx.us/publicat ... d%20PO.pdf