PolL: Open-carry v. campus-carry

[jmra]

While I understand your point, the economics major in me would like to use a head count of how many of our members have logged into the site more than a handful of times over the past, say, 3 months? That would be a more useful measure to use to compare to the poll participation than the total number of registered users.

That is why I asked if there was a huge difference in the number of members and active members. What you have posted to me is an excellent definition of an active member.

If 200 votes is a significant polling of the active members of this forum, then this forum is not nearly as significant as we all believe it to be. I do not believe that to be the case at all.

[cyphur]

Poll has been open for 20 days and only 201 votes. How many members are on this forum? Is there a huge disparity between number of members and number of active members?
So what is it?

1. Members don't care about Campus Carry
2. Members don't care about Open Carry
3. Members don't care about either
4. Members are pollaphobic

I know in the past lack of poll responses have been used to suggest that there was little interest in Open Carry. If we use that logic in this thread shouldn't we also assume there is little interest in Campus Carry?

Not trying to stir the pot here (I am pro Campus Carry and pro Open Carry as long as it is not tied to our current CHL laws), I'm simply trying to understand the mindset of the members. If the members don't care enough about either of these subjects to at least vote in a poll how do we expect to gain the support in the general public required to get either passed.

Perhaps at this time we should not waste our political influence on either. Maybe it should be shifted to Charles' bill which removes almost all of the prohibited places for CHL. I assume if this passes it would no longer be a crime to carry on campus. Yes, you could face discipline from the school if caught but concealed is concealed right?

It seems to me that I read a number of comments that those who voted for campus carry did so because they wanted to expand the number of places that people could carry. Charles' proposal does that on a much broader scale than campus carry alone.

I would like to see priority placed on Charles' latest proposal. If we have limited political influence in this session, let's apply it where it will make the biggest difference.

I voted, and for Campus Carry. We have 2-3 sessions of effort invested in it, it should be seen through to the end. More folks would gain protection in the near term from Campus Carry than Open carry.

As I said earlier in this thread, I think the bill Chas wrote is a win/win solution, and a huge step forward to a minor adjustment that would be required to pass open carry. Licensed Open Carry is the best bet at this point.

I personally want to see all of it passed, but Chas has made it very obvious over the past few years in his elucidating posts re:inner workings of Texas Legislature, we need to pick our battles wisely. I do not have the time to spend in Austin championing the cause so I'll let Chas help guide us in that arena.

[joelamosobadiah]

While I understand your point, the economics major in me would like to use a head count of how many of our members have logged into the site more than a handful of times over the past, say, 3 months? That would be a more useful measure to use to compare to the poll participation than the total number of registered users.

That is why I asked if there was a huge difference in the number of members and active members. What you have posted to me is an excellent definition of an active member.

If 200 votes is a significant polling of the active members of this forum, then this forum is not nearly as significant as we all believe it to be. I do not believe that to be the case at all.

Taking it a step further, you would need to know the number of active members to visit this thread. This forum doesn't get nearly the traffic of some others. Personally I spend the majority of my time here in the legislative forums, but judging by post counts, I'm not the typical forum member.

[TexasCajun]

The low response rate could be a reflection of the board's mechanics. It took me a while to realize that I could pull up the active topic list & view what's being discussed on here in the order of the most-recent post. Since discovering that feature, it's my most-often used method of navigating this forum. I rarely look at the pre-defined categories because the individual discussions don't seem to be organized in a meaningful way.

[RHenriksen]

The low response rate could be a reflection of the board's mechanics. It took me a while to realize that I could pull up the active topic list & view what's being discussed on here in the order of the most-recent post. Since discovering that feature, it's my most-often used method of navigating this forum. I rarely look at the pre-defined categories because the individual discussions don't seem to be organized in a meaningful way.

Good point, and I went through the same discovery & transition.

[jmra]

While I understand your point, the economics major in me would like to use a head count of how many of our members have logged into the site more than a handful of times over the past, say, 3 months? That would be a more useful measure to use to compare to the poll participation than the total number of registered users.

That is why I asked if there was a huge difference in the number of members and active members. What you have posted to me is an excellent definition of an active member.

If 200 votes is a significant polling of the active members of this forum, then this forum is not nearly as significant as we all believe it to be. I do not believe that to be the case at all.

Taking it a step further, you would need to know the number of active members to visit this thread. This forum doesn't get nearly the traffic of some others. Personally I spend the majority of my time here in the legislative forums, but judging by post counts, I'm not the typical forum member.

So, if we narrow it down to only members who have visited the legislative forum and 200 votes then becomes significant (assuming it wasn't before setting that criteria), then I am even more alarmed because the issue now becomes one of apathy on the eve of a very important legislative session. Not good if true.

[jmra]

The low response rate could be a reflection of the board's mechanics. It took me a while to realize that I could pull up the active topic list & view what's being discussed on here in the order of the most-recent post. Since discovering that feature, it's my most-often used method of navigating this forum. I rarely look at the pre-defined categories because the individual discussions don't seem to be organized in a meaningful way.

Good point. However, if someone who has only been a member for a few months can find their way here, I would think more than 209 could.

[Charles L. Cotton]

If 200 votes is a significant polling of the active members of this forum, then this forum is not nearly as significant as we all believe it to be. I do not believe that to be the case at all.

It's not. I can see the number of unique hits, etc. on the server. So yes, a very small percentage of Members have voted in the poll.

Chas.

[steve817]

However, I'd really be happier following the line of thought you started some months ago: Moving CHL's from PC §46.15(b) to PC §46.15(a), making both Sec. 46.02 and 46.03 non-applicable to CHL's.

I drafted that bill and a Senator has it. We'll see if he's going to introduce it or not. Obviously, I hope so!

Chas.

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[gigag04]

I can both campus and open carry now so...

I voted campus carry because it expands a person's right to self defense and will ultimately pave the way for a future OC push.

[RPBrown]

I voted campus carry for a couple of reasons.
1) we have a couple of sessions already invested in it
2) I will have grandkids going to college in the foreseeable future (I hope) and plan to visit them (again I hope)

Open carry, although it would be nice to have the option, does not affect me as much as I will probably CC only anyways.

[anygunanywhere]

I did not post when I voted.

I went with campus carry because it is part of the reasonable progression to the ultimate goal of open carry and constitutional carry.

At least in my sometimes fuzzy world.

I totally trust Charles Cotton and his efforts to lead us and influence the legiscritters.

Anygunanywhere

[posse]

Poll has been open for 20 days and only 201 votes. How many members are on this forum? Is there a huge disparity between number of members and number of active members?
So what is it?

1. Members don't care about Campus Carry
2. Members don't care about Open Carry
3. Members don't care about either
4. Members are pollaphobic

A fifth possibility is some members reject the premise of throwing either part of our right to keep and bear arms under the bus. Maybe those members think both restrictions unreasonably infringe our rights, and refuse to play a game that's rigged.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Poll has been open for 20 days and only 201 votes. How many members are on this forum? Is there a huge disparity between number of members and number of active members?
So what is it?

1. Members don't care about Campus Carry
2. Members don't care about Open Carry
3. Members don't care about either
4. Members are pollaphobic

A fifth possibility is some members reject the premise of throwing either part of our right to keep and bear arms under the bus. Maybe those members think both restrictions unreasonably infringe our rights, and refuse to play a game that's rigged.

What do you mean by this post?

Chas.

[The Annoyed Man]

Poll has been open for 20 days and only 201 votes. How many members are on this forum? Is there a huge disparity between number of members and number of active members?
So what is it?

1. Members don't care about Campus Carry
2. Members don't care about Open Carry
3. Members don't care about either
4. Members are pollaphobic

A fifth possibility is some members reject the premise of throwing either part of our right to keep and bear arms under the bus. Maybe those members think both restrictions unreasonably infringe our rights, and refuse to play a game that's rigged.

What game? With all due respect, I think you're seeing something that isn't there. Charles put up a poll. The question was NOT "If only one bill would be proposed by the legislature, would you prefer it to be campus-carry or open-carry?." The question was "If only one bill could pass, would you prefer it to be campus-carry or open-carry?" It is simply an honest attempt to find out what people's priorities are. He's not asking you to support one, and to protest the other. Politics is real, whether or not we want to admit it. You can go down to defeat every single year by insisting on nothing but Constitutional Carry being proposed, and never get anything that you want; OR you can successfully win in increments, with the ultimate goal of Constitutional Carry, and then prioritize which increments should be addressed in what order. Even Arizona didn't get Constitutional Carry until 2010, just two years ago.

And the people who have responded have answered as to their preference, and then they have all said that they support both. I think you're making an issue here where there really isn't one.

Just sayin'.....