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I ordered a holster from KirkpatrickGunLeather.com on March 15th for my M&P 45. The model ordered is the Under Cover. I received the confirmation email that day, notifying me that estimated shipping time would be 4-6 weeks.

On April 29th, I sent them an email saying, "It has been 6 weeks. Any news on my holster?" They sent me the following reply:
Dear Mr. Annoyed Man,

Apologies on the delay in getting your order shipped out. We had been shipping orders within the quoted 4-6 weeks, however due to an increase in orders and some rainy days (unusual for us), we are running about 10 (working) days behind (emphasis theirs). Your order was originally scheduled to be shipped this week, but unfortunately we will be unable to ship your order until the end of the next week.

Once again, we do apologize for the delay and do appreciate your patience.

Best regards,

Rachel
That effectively pushes production back to 8 weeks from ordering date.

Today, a week later, I received another email:
Dear Mr. Annoyed Man,

Apologies on the delay in getting your order shipped out to you. We had been shipping orders within the quoted 4-6 weeks, however due to an increase in orders and some *rainy days (unusual for us), we are running behind by about 2 weeks. Your order was originally scheduled to be shipped out this week, but unfortunately, we will be unable to ship your order for 2 more weeks (emphasis mine).

Once again, we do apologize for the delay and we do appreciate your patience!

Best regards,

Rachel Kirkpatrick

*rainy days- One of the steps in creating your holster is the molding process. When the holsters are being molded, they are set out in the sun to dry. In late March and early April, we had quite a few rainy days and therefore could not place the holsters out to dry which has created a backlog and therefore delaying the shipment of all orders. Sorry.
That pushes things back to 9 weeks from date of order.

I understand that they can't do anything about weather delays, but it does seem to me that they've bitten off a bit more than they can chew when it comes to accepting new orders. On their their website, they continue to say a 4-6 week delivery. On the other hand, if I were in their shoes, I wouldn't turn orders away either. That said, it is also pretty annoying to the be on the receiving end of those delays. All I wanted was a well-made holster, that nobody was going to see because it's concealed, and that is likely going to get dinged up from lots of use. I've always been able to get pretty much what I wanted from vendors like Galco and Desantis, and this was my second foray into buying from a small custom maker — a holster purchased from DM Bullard being the first — and I've never experienced this kind of changing delays before. When I bought my shoulder rig from Galco, I had to wait on it because they were out of stock, but I actually received the product a week or two in advance of when they said they would deliver it. So color me mildly frustrated this time around.

The price on this holster is pretty decent for a well-made holster — $74.00. Like I said, this is a working holster, not a BBQ rig. Does anybody else have experience with this particular holster maker, and if so, were you satisfied with the product, and did you experience this kind of moving delivery deadline?
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I've never had any dealings with them so I can't offer an opinion either way...I know that restriction don't impede some from having something to say :lol:

However, since I am ever the optimist...just remember, regardless of the eventual shipping date, you're a week closer than you were last week. Seriously, I do hope it shows up in the mail tomorrow. Let us know whatch think about it when it gets there.
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the only thing bad for them, is you are a one time customer, most likely, since a bad experience normally turns people away from a future sale. So for their sake, they should be more honest, change their lead time on the website, at least temporarily.
If you order something and know its 12 weeks, and it comes in 10, great, but as you said, 4-6 and now at least 9, that puts a bad taste for future confidence, especially with so many other good holster manufacturers out there.
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That's a nice looking holster. I hope it's worth the wait they are putting you through.
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I'm sorry to hear you are encountering such a long delay. I have three holsters, two mag holders, and a belt from them. All are quality products. The belt and a "Hidden Defence" are my daily carry rig. I've had the belt for three years and the Hidden Defence for two, and both are holding up really well. I don't know what to say about the delay, I always received my orders in just under two weeks, but, it's been two years since my last order. Be patient, I'm sure you will be happy with the holster.
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TAM:

My assumption is that you have already received
your M & P back from being fixed.

Otherwise the wait on the holster would not seem
so aggravating.

Have you shot the M & P since its fix?

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surprise_i'm_armed wrote:TAM:

My assumption is that you have already received
your M & P back from being fixed.

Otherwise the wait on the holster would not seem
so aggravating.

Have you shot the M & P since its fix?

SIA
Yeah, I actually got the M&P back about a week ago, free of charge! I called S&W to see what the cost of repair was going to be, and they told me it had shipped back to me the previous day, 2nd day air. It arrived with a note from their performance shop saying they replaced the sear and a plunger spring. But they must have slicked it up too, because it came back with a lighter and crisper trigger pull than it had brand new.

But no, I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. I want to try to get it done this weekend, Mother's Day permitting...
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Shouldn't there be some way other than the sun to do what they need to do?
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That must be why not many holster makers are in Seattle.
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driver8 wrote:Shouldn't there be some way other than the sun to do what they need to do?
That's kind of what I was thinking; but I don't know enough about holster making to say one way or the other.
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The Annoyed Man wrote:It arrived with a note from their performance shop saying they replaced the sear and a plunger spring. But they must have slicked it up too, because it came back with a lighter and crisper trigger pull than it had brand new.

But no, I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. I want to try to get it done this weekend, Mother's Day permitting...
Did the note say anything like "Now quit messing with it!" ? :biggrinjester:
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FOLLOW UP...

I phoned Kirkpatrick Gunleather today and asked if there was any news on my holster, which was ordered the evening of March 14, almost 10 weeks ago. (I said it was ordered on March 15 in the OP, but it was actually the night before.) The woman who answered looked up my order, and told me that it had shipped this week, but they are so far behind on their paperwork, that she did not know on what day, by which carrier, or what the tracking number is. She said that the girl who enters the shipping data will not be in tomorrow (because she goes to college), but that when this employee comes to work, she will tell her to look it up and email me the shipping information and tracking number. She said it most likely went by either Priority Mail or UPS ground. They are located in Laredo and I'm in the DFW metroplex, about 450 miles away. I'm sure that by the time the gal comes in and emails me the tracking information, I'll probably already have the holster.

Did it ship Monday? Tuesday? Wednesday? It's anybody's guess. Today is Thursday, and I wish I had it. I hope it is a really good holster for all this aggravation.
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FOLLOW UP (AGAIN)...

I'm trying to balance my sense of disappointment in the process with an accurate reporting of the circumstances.

Still no holster, and nobody called me back with the tracking information from my phone call of 5 days ago, so I phoned them back today. The person who answered had no record of my previous call, and no answer as to when it shipped, by what carrier, and the tracking number. :???:

So, she bucked the call upstairs, and it was answered by Jason Kirkpatrick. He said that he hadn't worked there for three years, but he had been asked to come back to work there to help get things caught up. I assume he is a member of the Kirkpatrick family which owns the business? Anyway, he told me that the last girl I talked to was mistaken... it was the holster above mine on the list which had shipped, but mine had not. I expressed (nicely) that I was near losing my patience, and I needed a definitive answer.

Jason was very apologetic and understanding. He said that he would make sure that it shipped out today via UPS, and that I will have it in hand on Thursday. I will spare the details, but from his description of things, it sounds like the company is in disarray and it needs someone to give it a firm guiding hand. He did add that they are no longer telling website customers that delivery is 4-6 weeks. The official delivery turnaround is now 9-10 weeks, and they appear to have updated their website to reflect that change. Today made 10 weeks for mine, so that's a little optimistic, since I don't have it yet, and might not have had it by Thursday if I had not kept on top of it. Jason also said that this was due to a large a spike in orders, and that he anticipated business slowing down in the future and order delivery returning to a more reasonable turnaround time.

I hope the holster quality was worth the wait. And just as importantly, if they are a quality product, they need help from somebody to get their business stabilized so that they don't frustrate customer expectations. I certainly hope they are able to do that, because if this were the norm for them, I doubt I would order again. I can understand long waits for a fancy BBQ holster with all the trimmings. That is perfectly reasonable. But for a standard, unadorned item for a common pistol, things should run smoother than that if they are going to survive as a company. And if they do actually make a high quality product, I sincerely want them to survive so that I can buy from them again.
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I got the holster today!

Here are a couple of pictures...

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I'm wearing it right now, and it wears very well. I called Jason Kirpatrick and left a message thanking him for expediting the shipment once he found out it hadn't shipped yet. Given the price — $74.00 — I am satisfied with the quality. It seems to be pretty well made, and the gun went right into it as if it were already broken in. Not sloppy loose, but just right, and retention is good. Other holsters I own, and I'm thinking specifically of my Galcos, have needed some "work" to get the gun into the holster at first before they fit more naturally.

Anyway, the saga has concluded. I'll be wearing it at a banquet tonight.
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Thant is a good lookin shooter sack, Sir. :thumbs2: :hurry:
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