HB56. Who does it apply too?

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Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

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ninjamedic2293 wrote:
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ninjamedic2293 wrote:You are not legally allowed to break down the door to my home, is that a bad law? No it's an excellent law. First responders working under exigent circumstances are legally allowed to trespass on your property and break down your door, is that a bad law? No it's an excellent law.
That's a good point ninja. We already have 9.22 on the books. First responders behaving responsibly are already covered by that law. There's no need for this new exception for first responders who do what's right. However, if they don't even meet that very low hurdle of competing harms, well, it doesn't seem worth expending limited political capital to provide cover for bad apples.
Zoo 9.22 by my understanding would provide a defense against prosecution for actions such as obtaining a weapon to engage a known threat. I dont think you would be successful arguing in court against a 30.06 case that the exigent circumstances which brought you to the location were equivalent to the imminent harm cited in 9.22 and justified a non emergent premeditated action such as carry a concealed weapon. Nor would it be sufficient to allow you to carry a weapon in a hospital for example.
I haven't been following this thread, but perhaps I have have paid more attention. The "Necessity" defense in TPC 9.22 is just that, a defense to be asserted after arrest, bonding out, hiring an attorney and going to trial. HB56 would create an exception meaning first responders couldn't even be arrested for crossing a 30.06 or 30.07 sign.

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Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

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ninjamedic2293 wrote:
Zoo wrote:
ninjamedic2293 wrote:You are not legally allowed to break down the door to my home, is that a bad law? No it's an excellent law. First responders working under exigent circumstances are legally allowed to trespass on your property and break down your door, is that a bad law? No it's an excellent law.
That's a good point ninja. We already have 9.22 on the books. First responders behaving responsibly are already covered by that law. There's no need for this new exception for first responders who do what's right. However, if they don't even meet that very low hurdle of competing harms, well, it doesn't seem worth expending limited political capital to provide cover for bad apples.
Zoo 9.22 by my understanding would provide a defense against prosecution for actions such as obtaining a weapon to engage a known threat. I dont think you would be successful arguing in court against a 30.06 case that the exigent circumstances which brought you to the location were equivalent to the imminent harm cited in 9.22 and justified a non emergent premeditated action such as carry a concealed weapon. Nor would it be sufficient to allow you to carry a weapon in a hospital for example.
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Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

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Anyone testifying today that it should apply to HAM radio operators and CERT trainees?

(I sent a tweet to @DrewSpringer @DrGregBonnen @RyanGuillen and @agtripp and @TSRA_outreach:
HB 56 SHOULD apply to Community Emergency Response Team CERT http://www.txregionalcouncil.org/displa ... php&sub=cc & HAM RADIO Operators in times of Emergency

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 408001.HTM
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING

COMMITTEE: Homeland Security & Public Safety

TIME & DATE: 8:00 AM, Tuesday, March 14, 2017

PLACE: E2.014
CHAIR: Rep. Phil King

*Testimony will be limited to three (3) minutes*

HB 56 Flynn | et al.
Relating to the carrying of a handgun by a first responder engaged in the actual discharge of the first responder's duties
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HB 131 Krause | et al.
Relating to exempting the intrastate manufacture of a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition from federal regulation.
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HB 435 King, Ken | et al.
Relating to the application of certain weapons laws to and liability for certain actions of volunteer emergency services personnel licensed to carry a handgun.

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Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

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Video Feed to Hearing in Progress http://tlchouse.granicus.com/MediaPlaye ... nt_id=2703

HB56 Testimony over 8:43 A.M.
HB56 left Pending at this time

I didn't read HB 435 yet ,,, Though written for volunteer fire depts etc, Volunteers like CERT (volunteer emergency services personnel? http://www.txregionalcouncil.org/displa ... php&sub=cc ) ...
But not "HAMS" as "personnel"??

may be covered by HB 435 ? King, Ken | et al.
Relating to the application of certain weapons laws to and liability for certain actions of volunteer emergency services personnel licensed to carry a handgun.
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 00435I.htm

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Homeland Security & Public Safety will reconvene later today to hear Krause bill
http://www.house.state.tx.us/video-audio/

HB 131 Krause | et al.
Relating to exempting the intrastate manufacture of a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition from federal regulation.
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