Re: Constable ND?
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:42 am
Reminds me of this cops ND...
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No, I object to using the term "accidental" to describe all discharges that are not intended.texanjoker wrote:Being suspended right off the bat is pretty serious. I don't like the term accidental discharge, but that sounds like one meaning it was not intentional. I wonder if he had qualified with the weapon yet? I have never heard of any department allowing one to carry a gun they had not qualified on and most would have their armorer inspect it prior to carry as well. If he was carrying w/o that being done, he is in a serious heap of trouble.
Agreed and I don't like the term. I am waiting to see if this guy had qualified with that weapon since they said it was new. A LEO must qualify with each weapon carried and show proficiency, initially and yearly after that. IMO yearly is not enough, let alone every 5 years for a CHL, but that is what TX requires and is the minimum standard. One really needs to practice and be proficient. As I always say, "If you knew you were going to fight for your life tomorrow, would you change the way you trained today?" For the LEO it is basically a 50 round course of fire. We just did our qual and it was up to 20 yards. We all know there are going to be LEO's and CHL holders alike that won't fire that gun (or even clean it) expect for the qualification and IMO that is not enough time at the range. In liberal CA we qualified every 3 months with handgun, rifle and shotgun, and had an allotment of 50 handgun rounds per month to practice. Not a large amount, but at least you could get some range time. Any department with common sense also has those barrels to safely unload a weapon in case there is a discharge (took out term accidental). With him being suspended right off that bat, I would bet there is more to this story then released because discharges do happen, and not everybody is suspended. Back in the day it was the 870's being put back into the racks in the car. People would forget to unload them and BAM went the roof topJumping Frog wrote:No, I object to using the term "accidental" to describe all discharges that are not intended.texanjoker wrote:Being suspended right off the bat is pretty serious. I don't like the term accidental discharge, but that sounds like one meaning it was not intentional. I wonder if he had qualified with the weapon yet? I have never heard of any department allowing one to carry a gun they had not qualified on and most would have their armorer inspect it prior to carry as well. If he was carrying w/o that being done, he is in a serious heap of trouble.
If someone is manipulating a firearm and it improperly discharges (finger off the trigger until sights on target, know your target and beyond), that is negligent.
An accidental discharge is due to a mechanical failure of the firearm. An unintended discharge when the finger is on the trigger is always negligent.
Is this TCLEOSE or department policy?texanjoker wrote:A LEO must qualify with each weapon carried and show proficiency, initially and yearly after that.
TCLEOSE requires the proficiency at an annual renewal, and they must show how the proper care and inspection of that weapon, but there are no requirements from TCLEOSE that they cannot carry a different weapon than they qualified with. That sounds more like a individual department policy.Mike1951 wrote:Is this TCLEOSE or department policy?texanjoker wrote:A LEO must qualify with each weapon carried and show proficiency, initially and yearly after that.
Keith B wrote:TCLEOSE requires the proficiency at an annual renewal, and they must show how the proper care and inspection of that weapon, but there are no requirements from TCLEOSE that they cannot carry a different weapon than they qualified with. That sounds more like a individual department policy.Mike1951 wrote:Is this TCLEOSE or department policy?texanjoker wrote:A LEO must qualify with each weapon carried and show proficiency, initially and yearly after that.