We Need To Be More Thankful For 30.06

[carlson1]

I know many of us sure do not like seeing the 30.06, but it is a great help to us. We could easily be like most states and a little "No Gun" signs keeps you out.

I went to a surgeon today with my wife and I was so pleased to see the "No Gun" sign. We walked right past the sign, seen the doctor, and walked right back out without any trouble.

I think the 30.06 sign is a friend more than an enemy.

[WildBill]

I know many of us sure do not like seeing the 30.06, but it is a great help to us. We could easily be like most states and a little "No Gun" signs keeps you out.

I went to a surgeon today with my wife and I was so pleased to see the "No Gun" sign. We walked right past the sign, seen the doctor, and walked right back out without any trouble.

I think the 30.06 sign is a friend more than an enemy.

Not the sign per se, but the strict requirements for the exact language and size.

[steveincowtown]

I know many of us sure do not like seeing the 30.06, but it is a great help to us. We could easily be like most states and a little "No Gun" signs keeps you out.

I went to a surgeon today with my wife and I was so pleased to see the "No Gun" sign. We walked right past the sign, seen the doctor, and walked right back out without any trouble.

I think the 30.06 sign is a friend more than an enemy.

I wish those of us in the gun community would have more of a Steve Jobs attitude towards 30.06.

30.06 was great to get us where we are today, and is pretty darned good today. It however is not the future.

30.06 has created a fair amount of tension between those that want to CC and those that want to OC, and has become a divisive issue.

When I carry in VA I walk past the No Guns signs as well, they have no force of law. You can only be sighted for trespass once you are notified to leave and refuse to do so, which is a BIG win for CHLers. There are many states where there is not a sign made that prohibits entry, and this is what we should be "shooting" for long term.


Edited to add information I previously posted on this topic. This information may not be up to date and you should consult local laws before traveling to any of these states:

By almost everyone's admission and anecdotal evidence, including your own about Northern VA, OC is not practiced that widely even in states that it is widely accepted. The odds that 50 OCers, or even 1 would be noticed in a store on a daily basis seems to be pretty thin.

Many states have signs that do not carry the force of law, and I cannot find one case where an owner asking someone to leave resulted in anything else than them leaving.

According to http://www.handgunlaw.us" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; the following states have laws (or don't have laws depending on how you look at it) that make the "No Guns" sign not have any teeth: (IANAL, do your own research if planning to visit these states):

West Virginia

Virginia

Georgia

Florida

Alabama

Kentucky

Indiana

Iowa

South Dakota

Montana

Colorado

Idaho

Washington

Nevada

Of course not all these states have OC, but this list certainly is long enough that if there was a problem, I am sure it would be all over the liberal news media.

Going back to the premise that most folks who would carry an gun on there hip are the good guys (as the bad guys don't want to be noticed), a store owner should be no more afraid of an armed civilian then anyone else. If we perpetuate the idea that store owners could never confront someone with a gun, I think the unintentional affect of this is giving ammo to the left that people should be afraid of law abiding citizens carry guns.

I don't know for a fact that getting rid of 30.06 and moving us into a situation like the above mentioned states would work here in Texas, but it looks like it is working for them.

If we could make this move it sure would make the whole OC vs. CC debate a lot easier. If you are carry concealed, you would literally have nothing to worry about. If you were OC'ing you would open yourself up to being asked to leave and/or a possibly unpleasant interaction with the police.

All the above being said, I have spent to date EXACTLY zero hours working with the Texas Legislature. I am not in the trenches like you, and don't have the experience. My only possible hope is that some point we can use the above to show our Representatives, and our citizens that OC and a modification to 30.06 can work.

[Oldgringo]

That guy who got gunned down by the local police outside that Costco in Las Vegas a couple years ago, what was that about?

FWIW, I appreciate the specificity of our very own 30.06 sign. I have neither the time nor the resource$ to debate the intent/validity of a "no guns" sign in a distant state. The law is what the arresting officer/s say it is. Following that, it i$ your ta$k to convince the judge of your innocence.

[WildBill]

I wish those of us in the gun community would have more of a Steve Jobs attitude towards 30.06.

Which is?

[WildBill]

That guy who got gunned down by the local police outside that Costco in Las Vegas a couple years ago, what was that about?

FWIW, I appreciate the specificity of our very own 30.06 sign. I have neither the time nor the resource$ to debate the intent/validity of a "no guns" sign in a distant state. The law is what the arresting officer/s say it is. Following that, it i$ your ta$k to convince the judge of your innocence.

This was not about signs, but the attitude and over reaction of Costco employees and LV Leos.

[Oldgringo]

That guy who got gunned down by the local police outside that Costco in Las Vegas a couple years ago, what was that about?

FWIW, I appreciate the specificity of our very own 30.06 sign. I have neither the time nor the resource$ to debate the intent/validity of a "no guns" sign in a distant state. The law is what the arresting officer/s say it is. Following that, it i$ your ta$k to convince the judge of your innocence.

This was not about signs, but the attitude and over reaction of Costco employees and LV Leos.

It may not have been about signs but it was most definitely about guns.

[WildBill]

That guy who got gunned down by the local police outside that Costco in Las Vegas a couple years ago, what was that about?

FWIW, I appreciate the specificity of our very own 30.06 sign. I have neither the time nor the resource$ to debate the intent/validity of a "no guns" sign in a distant state. The law is what the arresting officer/s say it is. Following that, it i$ your ta$k to convince the judge of your innocence.

This was not about signs, but the attitude and over reaction of Costco employees and LV Leos.

It may not have been about signs but it was most definitely about guns.

Remember this was in Nevada, where 30.06 signs do not exist.

[Oldgringo]

That guy who got gunned down by the local police outside that Costco in Las Vegas a couple years ago, what was that about?

FWIW, I appreciate the specificity of our very own 30.06 sign. I have neither the time nor the resource$ to debate the intent/validity of a "no guns" sign in a distant state. The law is what the arresting officer/s say it is. Following that, it i$ your ta$k to convince the judge of your innocence.

This was not about signs, but the attitude and over reaction of Costco employees and LV Leos.

It may not have been about signs but it was most definitely about guns.

Remember this was in Nevada, where 30.06 signs do not exist.

Exactly! BTW, Nevada is an Open Carry Gold Star state according to this site. I think maybe Clark county is not?

[Blindref757]

I think our 30.06 signage requirement is a great balance between 2A rights and private business' right to keep them out. Keep in mind that they have the right on their own property to allow or disallow things they want or don't want on their private property. And likewise, we have the right to do business with them or go down the road to a safer environment. Liberty cuts both ways...and balance is good in this instnce IMHO.

[texanjoker]

I dont necassarily agree. While i am opposed to it, shouldnt a private business have the right to prohibit firearms on private property without having to play the 30.06 game；? We see people in here confused where they can carry and i would bet it is the same for business owners. Decriminalize carrying on private property and let them post what they want to make them happy.

[jmra]

I think our 30.06 signage requirement is a great balance between 2A rights and private business' right to keep them out. Keep in mind that they have the right on their own property to allow or disallow things they want or don't want on their private property. And likewise, we have the right to do business with them or go down the road to a safer environment. Liberty cuts both ways...and balance is good in this instnce IMHO.

They can keep you from carrying a concealed gun on their property unless you are an off duty LEO. (Insert crime statistics here.)

[Oldgringo]

I dont necassarily agree. While i am opposed to it, shouldnt a private business have the right to prohibit firearms on private property without having to play the 30.06 game；? We see people in here confused where they can carry and i would bet it is the same for business owners. Decriminalize carrying on private property and let them post what they want to make them happy.

No, it's fine the way it is. This way, the owner and the CH Licensee should both know this simple law and where each other stands on the subject. There's no guessing and there's no favoritism.

[texanjoker]

I dont necassarily agree. While i am opposed to it, shouldnt a private business have the right to prohibit firearms on private property without having to play the 30.06 game；? We see people in here confused where they can carry and i would bet it is the same for business owners. Decriminalize carrying on private property and let them post what they want to make them happy.

No, it's fine the way it is. This way, the owner and the CH Licensee should both know this simple law and where each other stands on the subject. There's neao guessing and there's no favoritism.

True but where does a business owner learn what sign is correct? Unless they take a chl course they wont know.

[jmra]

I dont necassarily agree. While i am opposed to it, shouldnt a private business have the right to prohibit firearms on private property without having to play the 30.06 game；? We see people in here confused where they can carry and i would bet it is the same for business owners. Decriminalize carrying on private property and let them post what they want to make them happy.

No, it's fine the way it is. This way, the owner and the CH Licensee should both know this simple law and where each other stands on the subject. There's neao guessing and there's no favoritism.

True but where does a business owner learn what sign is correct? Unless they take a chl course they wont know.

Or they could google "how to keep CHL out of my business in Texas". Try it.
Click the first link and scroll down to FAQ #32. I'm sure a business owner is smart enough to figure that out.