Made my first alloy and ingots today!

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Re: Made my first alloy and ingots today!

Postby AndyC » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:55 am

velo99 wrote:Drop them in water to make them harder & you won't lead the barrel as bad.

There's an excellent chance it'll lead worse.
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Re: Made my first alloy and ingots today!

Postby Don2 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:50 pm

Jumping Frog wrote:
velo99 wrote: Drop them in water to make them harder & you won't lead the barrel as bad.

Not necessarily. It all depends on the caliber.

Water drop a low pressure round like .45 ACP or .38 SP and you can easily make the bullets too hard to obdurate in the barrel. That will cause excessive leading.

The best approach is to match the bullet hardness to the pressure. High pressure rounds, like a .44 Mag need a much harder alloy than low pressure rounds. I water drop some of my calibers but not others.


I totally agree....I found out the hard way. ;-)
I HATE TO SCRUB LEAD OUT OF BARRELS....

Has anyone tried this product?
http://www.sharpshootr.com/no-lead.htm

I really love their Royal Case and Die Lube..Smells good enough to eat, they say you can?????
http://www.sharpshootr.com/royal_case_and_die_lube.htm

Wish I sold this stuff :leaving So I could get a good deal.

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Re: Made my first alloy and ingots today!

Postby ghostrider » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:30 am

There's an excellent chance it'll lead worse.


doesn't that also depend partly on velocity? And where do you draw the line?

Currently, I'm casting with bullet lead reclaimed from a range and wheel weights, but I'm water quenching everything and my casting runs the range of 38spl target loads to 44mag out of a lever gun. Should I water quench some? all? none?

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Re: Made my first alloy and ingots today!

Postby AndyC » Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:28 am

ghostrider wrote:
There's an excellent chance it'll lead worse.


doesn't that also depend partly on velocity? And where do you draw the line?

It does, but it's not just velocity alone - it's pressure, size, bullet material, lube, etc, etc. You draw the line by testing your loads in your own firearm ;)

My point was to correct the common saw that harder automatically means less leading, because in most cases at most handgun velocities, it simply makes things worse.

ghostrider wrote:Currently, I'm casting with bullet lead reclaimed from a range and wheel weights, but I'm water quenching everything and my casting runs the range of 38spl target loads to 44mag out of a lever gun. Should I water quench some? all? none?

thanks

Try them all - a small batch of quenched vs soft and see what works best in each one, but generally harder bullets work better with magnum-type pressures and velocities and the reverse for slower loads. I played around with water-quenching bullets for my .45acp to harden them - and while the accuracy was fine, it leaded the barrel like crazy compared to my non-quenched bullets using the same mold/size/lube/alloy.
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Re: Made my first alloy and ingots today!

Postby AndyC » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:00 pm

Don2 wrote:Has anyone tried this product?
http://www.sharpshootr.com/no-lead.htm

A friend of mine has a Ph.D in chemistry - he told me that nobody has yet developed a safe way to dissolve lead from a gun-barrel. It's kind of his own Holy Grail, as it's something he desperately wants to discover - so I'm skeptical of products which claim to dissolve lead.
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Re: Made my first alloy and ingots today!

Postby Don2 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:53 pm

AndyC wrote:
Don2 wrote:Has anyone tried this product?
http://www.sharpshootr.com/no-lead.htm

A friend of mine has a Ph.D in chemistry - he told me that nobody has yet developed a safe way to dissolve lead from a gun-barrel. It's kind of his own Holy Grail, as it's something he desperately wants to discover - so I'm skeptical of products which claim to dissolve lead.


Who am I to argue with experts?
Thanks, I really have no idea of current chemical technology.
Like most advertising...I'm sure they "fudge" a little.....

They even tell the color changes that happen when the lead is dissolved.
I'm sure that with some cleaver chemistry tricks, they could make the cleaner turn colors like its working??

I guess it may have been too good to be true....I guess the proof would be to try some and note the lead build up before using it and then after.

It's still interesting...But I really do not get much lead build up. If I do, I just clean it out like I have been doing for years.

Thanks for the info...I thought it sounded a little too good to be true.

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