Changes to CHL law

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Changes to CHL law

Postby fiftycal » Thu Dec 23, 2004 5:36 pm

I see where HB 225 has already been filed to lengthen the CHL from 4 years to 5. I don't agree with that change because I believe people need a refresher at least every couple of legislative sessions.

I would support lowering the cost of the CHL for new and renewal, requiring DPS to take the photos on the existing drivers license equipment, doing away with the USELESS notarized forms, removing the USELESS requirement for "non-violent dispute resolution training" and lowering the course to 7 hours total.

Also, the lack of a "51%" sign should be a defense to prosecution for unknowingly entering a "bar".

That's a start on things.
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Re: Changes to CHL law

Postby sfjet » Thu Dec 23, 2004 7:07 pm

fiftycal wrote:I see where HB 225 has already been filed to lengthen the CHL from 4 years to 5. I don't agree with that change because I believe people need a refresher at least every couple of legislative sessions.

I would support lowering the cost of the CHL for new and renewal, requiring DPS to take the photos on the existing drivers license equipment, doing away with the USELESS notarized forms, removing the USELESS requirement for "non-violent dispute resolution training" and lowering the course to 7 hours total.

Also, the lack of a "51%" sign should be a defense to prosecution for unknowingly entering a "bar".

That's a start on things.


I see where HB 225 has already been filed to lengthen the CHL from 4 years to 5.


I like this HB225 law. The rest I agree with completely.
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Re: Changes to CHL law

Postby antfarmer » Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:01 pm

fiftycal wrote:I would support lowering the cost of the CHL for new and renewal, requiring DPS to take the photos on the existing drivers license equipment...


Why not do away with the photos & card completely? Have the CHL be an endorsement on your DL.
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Postby fiftycal » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:06 pm

"Why not do away with the photos & card completely? Have the CHL be an endorsement on your DL. "

1. There are some things you can lose your DL over that would not effect the CHL. Too many tickets, no insurance, etc.

2. Now that you have to show your DL to go to the bathroom, having GUN written across the face of the licensewould cause some people to become incontinent when they saw it and pose a public health problem.
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Postby mcneill » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:51 pm

[quote2. having GUN written across the face of the licensewould cause some people to become incontinent when they saw it and pose a public health problem.[/quote]

fiftycal - good one. :D

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Postby antfarmer » Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:10 pm

Naw, not GUN across the front, just a single letter endorsement with the secret decoder message on the back!

I don't know what all is contained in the magnetic strip, but it would seem your DL could be invalidated for whatever infractions, and you could still keep your card.
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Postby dws1117 » Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:30 am

I would support lowering the cost of the CHL for new and renewal


I wholeheartedly agree. What do you feel would be a reasonable fee? Would $50 for new and $25 renewal be reasonable?
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I'd like several things addressed (passed) this session

Postby troglodyte » Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:38 pm

Lower fees - always good in my book.

Lengthening CHL - sounds good but I can live with the four year term.

DL notation - Doesn't bother me either way. Would be a little more convienent I guess.

What I would like to see -

No civil suit allowed if defense was justifiable.
Fewer no-carry sites. Especially schools, hospitals, court buildings, etc.
Rewording "church-carry" sections - tends to be confusing the way it is now.
Open carry legal (at least with CHL). Relieves flashing/printing issues.
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Postby one eyed fatman » Fri Dec 24, 2004 5:33 pm

Washington state has a one time fee of 20.00. That's what I would like to see happen here. After all we should not have to pay and pay and pay for our 2nd amendment rights. They already belong to us.
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On the other hand...

Postby LarryArnold » Sun Dec 26, 2004 1:36 pm

The nonviolent conflict resolution is my favorite class to teach. And I have students that say it gives them a new viewpoint on concealed carry.

IMO we need to get away from the "violent criminal attack" mentality. There are lots of verbal conflicts where shooting is neither justified nor advisable. The last time I got into a self-defense situation it was at an after-Thanksgiving dinner gathering in my daughter's apartment. One guy had a little too much social lubrication and tried to pick a fight with me. I remember thinking, "I really don't want to cap this guy in my daugher's living room and cost her the clean-up deposit." So I used NVCR and talked my way loose. Much neater.

My daughter later told me that the guy just gets pissy when drunk. Turns out she hadn't invited him, he'd come with someone else. Then she told me that if he'd picked on someone else she'd have been worried, but she knew I could handle the situation.

As for licensing periods, if a CHL is valid for longer than five years the Feds won't certify it as a valid substitute for calling in a NICS check when you purchase a firearm.
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Postby MoJo » Sun Dec 26, 2004 5:36 pm

A refresher every four years is a darn good idea. I am not in favor of open carry but a clause that eases the flashing/printing issue would be nice. Legislation to prohibit or severely limit civil liability in a justified shooting would be most excellent. Considering what you get for your money I think our CHL fee is a bargan - - - it would be better if it was cheaper but oh well.
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Postby Lindy » Sun Dec 26, 2004 6:18 pm

I'm opposed to open carry. I want criminals to be in doubt about who is carrying and who isn't.

I assume that by "flashing" or "printing", you refer to section 42.01a(8), Disorderly Conduct, which refers to "displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm." As long as you don't deliberately uncover your handgun, it's hard to see how that would be interpreted to apply by a reasonable person.

Someone else earlier refered to hospitals and churchs - the current law is pretty clear that in both cases you must be given effective notice.
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Postby one eyed fatman » Sun Dec 26, 2004 9:22 pm

MoJo wrote:A refresher every four years is a darn good idea. I am not in favor of open carry but a clause that eases the flashing/printing issue would be nice. Legislation to prohibit or severely limit civil liability in a justified shooting would be most excellent. Considering what you get for your money I think our CHL fee is a bargan - - - it would be better if it was cheaper but oh well.


I know I complain about CHL prices but I was willing to pay the price. What ticks me off is my brother in law moved to Georgia and it only cost him 20.00. You dirty rat! You got a better price than me.
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Postby Lindy » Sun Dec 26, 2004 9:54 pm

Yeah, but he has to live in Georgia... :D
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Postby one eyed fatman » Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:10 am

Lindy wrote:Yeah, but he has to live in Georgia... :D


Ya... I guess he did have to pay a high price, didn't he. :D
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