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New York Times article on castle doctrine

Postby seamusTX » Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:41 pm

I am posting this for discussion:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/07/us/07shoot.html

This article contains some anecdotes that are alarming if true: a call girl who disarmed and shot a 72-year-old customer, and a man who shot an unarmed neighbor outdoors, neither prosecuted. Of course, who knows all the facts?

You can expect these stories to be repeated by the antis.

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Postby cyphur » Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:01 pm

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Postby seamusTX » Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:17 pm

I prefer not to repost copyrighted material. You should be able to log on with one of the following user name/password pairs:
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Postby Commander » Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:49 pm

Fox News just did a segment on the same thing. They quoted a couple of the same cases from the New York Times article. Judge Napolotano (?) did the commentary on the law. I got the feeling that he did not like the law.
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Postby cyphur » Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:56 pm

seamusTX wrote:I prefer not to repost copyrighted material. You should be able to log on with one of the following user name/password pairs:
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Thank you much! I was able to read the article.
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Postby seamusTX » Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:21 pm

S&W6946 wrote:Judge Napolotano (?) did the commentary on the law. I got the feeling that he did not like the law.
I've heard him on the radio a few times. He's not someone who can be pigeonholed as "liberal" or "conservative."

The spelling is Napolitano, BTW.

Cyphur, if you don't want to register for a web site (I'm often reluctant myself), you can usually get logons from http://www.bugmenot.com/.

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Postby John » Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:25 pm

Many prosecutors oppose the laws, saying they are unnecessary at best and pernicious at worst. “They’re basically giving citizens more rights to use deadly force than we give police officers, and with less review,� said Paul A. Logli, president of the National District Attorneys Association.


So he is saying that in Florida, the new law doesn't apply to policemen? It applies to them the same as anyone else. They can stand their ground at home too.

“In a way,� Ms. Brady said of the new laws, “it’s a license to kill.�


You might add Ms. Brady, "or be killed".

and my personal favorite:
Even before the new laws, Professor Kleck added, claims of self-defense were often accepted. “In the South,� he said, “they more or less give the benefit of the doubt to the alleged victim’s account.�


Sounds a little like a dig at us hicks in the south. or are we potential "alleged victims".

Sorry for all of the quotes, but it just irks me to see this stuff.
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Postby John » Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:27 pm

seamusTX wrote:if you don't want to register for a web site (I'm often reluctant myself), you can usually get logons from http://www.bugmenot.com/. - Jim


They've got a nifty little add-on for Firefox too. It plugs in logons for you with a right click of the mouse. Only free sites though.
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Postby seamusTX » Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:46 pm

John wrote:
Many prosecutors oppose the laws, saying they are unnecessary at best and pernicious at worst. “They’re basically giving citizens more rights to use deadly force than we give police officers, and with less review,� said Paul A. Logli, president of the National District Attorneys Association.
So he is saying that in Florida, the new law doesn't apply to policemen?
I think that statement is false. The police can shoot escaping felony suspects or prisoners, which citizens generally cannot do.
Even before the new laws, Professor Kleck added, claims of self-defense were often accepted. “In the South,� he said, “they more or less give the benefit of the doubt to the alleged victim’s account.�
Sounds a little like a dig at us hicks in the south. or are we potential "alleged victims".
Yeah, I think it's a bit of New York elitism.

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Postby longtooth » Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:35 pm

John wrote:
Sounds a little like a dig at us hicks in the south.


Letum diggg. I wear my Redneck w/ pride. If you still open the door for your Wife & Mother you might be a Redneck Country Boy.
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Postby seamusTX » Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:43 pm

I open doors for people I don't know. Makes 'em wonder what's going on.

It also means I can walk in behind them and keep an eye on them.

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Postby cyphur » Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:31 pm

seamusTX wrote:I open doors for people I don't know. Makes 'em wonder what's going on.

It also means I can walk in behind them and keep an eye on them.

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Funny, I do the same thing for the same reason.....
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Postby seamusTX » Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:37 pm

Good sense, I think.

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Postby longtooth » Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:02 am

Makes yall Rednecks too. Man I am completely surrounded by good folks. :lol: :lol:
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