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Obamacare - Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716

Postby Wes » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:26 pm

So it would seem that the democrats have already prevented themselves from creating a gun registry. The new health care bill Obama forced us to accept apparently states that the government cannot collect "any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition." Is this right? I looked for the actual text and cant find it. Crazy if so, I wonder how the executive order to over right your own bill will look?!

http://times247.com/articles/obamacare- ... gistration
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Re: Obamacare - Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716

Postby i8godzilla » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:25 am

Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c. only limits the Secretary of Health and Human Services from collecting information about legally owned firearms and ammunition when implementing "wellness and health promotion activities."
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Re: Obamacare - Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716

Postby AndyC » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:07 am

A registry is already prohibited by the Brady Handgun Control Act of 1993 under Section 103:

(i) PROHIBITION RELATING TO ESTABLISHMENT OF REGISTRATION SYSTEMS WITH RESPECT TO FIREARMS- No department, agency, officer, or employee of the United States may--

(1) require that any record or portion thereof generated by the system established under this section be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or political subdivision thereof; or

(2) use the system established under this section to establish any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions or dispositions, except with respect to persons, prohibited by section 922 (g) or (n) of title 18, United States Code or State law, from receiving a firearm.


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Re: Obamacare - Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716

Postby mojo84 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:33 pm

That's one of the reasons Biden some some legislative work needs to be done when when Obama pursues executive order.
"The laws which forbid men to bear arms … only disarm those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes,” Cesare Beccaria, an Italian scholar, wrote in his 1764 treatise on the subject. “These laws make the victims of attack worse off and improve the position of the assailant.”
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Re: Obamacare - Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716

Postby G26ster » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:49 pm

AndyC wrote:A registry is already prohibited by the Brady Handgun Control Act of 1993 under Section 103:

(i) PROHIBITION RELATING TO ESTABLISHMENT OF REGISTRATION SYSTEMS WITH RESPECT TO FIREARMS- No department, agency, officer, or employee of the United States may--

(1) require that any record or portion thereof generated by be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or political subdivision thereof; or

(2) use the system established under this section to establish any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions or dispositions, except with respect to persons, prohibited by section 922 (g) or (n) of title 18, United States Code or State law, from receiving a firearm.


http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/bills/blbradyact.htm


When it says, "the system established under this section ..." I believe that just prevents the establishment of a registry using data collected through NICS checks which is what Section 103 is about . It doesn't prevent a registry being created outside of the background check process IMHO.
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