nitrogen wrote:I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. After this post I'm going to keep my mouth shut because I know i'm not going to change your mind, and you certainly aren't going to change my mind.
I would like you to understand why I feel the way I do, though. Maybe i'm getting the wrong idea, but it seems you demonize people that think the way I do.
I cannot demonize another. They do that themselves. I also made no commetn towards you except to say that I am dissapointed, and I am.
Basically, I don't want to live in a Christian theocracy.
theocracy
One entry found for theocracy.
Main Entry: the·oc·ra·cy
Pronunciation: thE-'ä-kr&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -cies
Etymology: Greek theokratia, from the- + -kratia -cracy
1 : government of a state by immediate divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided
It would seem you DON"T live in one.
1.Blocking prayer and Bible reading in our public schools and city/village meetings
Would you be annoyed if your public meetings were interrupted by Muslim prayers? Buddhist prayers? Satinist prayers? I would. Let's just not do that.
The "rule by 1" theory? you don't like it so the community cannot have it. Were is YOUR tolerance that you demand of others? The government should not censor religion. "Shall not restrict the free exercise thereof". If the community wants prayer, they should be able to have it without the government restricting it. If my community is mostly Muslim, then a public muslim prayer at the county meeting should not be blocked by the government. THAT, my friend, is freedoom OF religion and of speech.
2.Litigating to remove 10 Commandments plaques and all Christian symbols and emblems in our schools, cities and public places.
Our founding fathers were not Christians, they were Diests. I don't understand what not having any gods before God, making Graven Images, , taking the Lord's name in vain, working on (saturday or sunday) has anything to do with our legal tradition. I do not want the state to make laws saying who I can worship, what I can worship, and when I can work.
Do you?
Our laws are based on judeo/christian beliefs, the core of those the 10 commandments. If the community wants them displayed, the govt., has no right to restrict them.
The government is in NO WAY making laws to say who you can worship or when you can work. Where did that statement come from? You would refuse MY right to not be restricted by the government?
3.Ensuring that the grisly procedure of partial birth abortion be permitted as a recognized legal medical procedure.
According to my religion, the fetus isn't alive until it's born and takes it's first breath, so this isn't a big deal. Is my religion right and yours wrong? Are you going to try and tell me mine is wrong?
WOW, what a sad religion you have. Ever seen a sonigram? ever seen a premature baby. When we hold the lives of unborn children in so low regard, it is an easy step to hold all life in low regard. What is your religion?
4.Ensuring that abortion without restrictions be available at any time throughout a woman's pregnancy
See above. I don't like to make moral decisions for people, as their morals might be different than mine. Are my morals invalid to you?
Perhaps. Morals are absolute.
So if my moral belief is that its OK to sleep with other men's wives, you would be OK with me having sex with YOUR wife? I have heard this "morals are subjective" argument before. It falls apart when you test it on them. You cannot be consistent in your moral behavior with subjective morals.
5.Ensuring that parents be denied the right to consent or even be notified of a teenager's decision to have an abortion
I can think of a few reasons why this is a good idea. I'd probably give you this one.
You think that parents do not have a right to be notified when their child has a medical procedure? You are not a parent, are you?
6.Denying waiting periods before pregnant women have an abortion
This is just as silly as requiring a waiting period to get a gun. I won't make moral decisions about someone wanting a gun, and i also won't make moral decisions about someone wanting an abortion. Again, my morals on the matter are obviously different from yours.
Stealing is illegal, but it is based on morality. Are you for repealing theft laws? How about murder? All are based on morality.
7.Denying "right to know" information to women considering the dangerous risks of having an abortion
I'm not for requiring doctors to say anything. I think doctors are more knowledgable than our government, and we shouldn't force them to say things that might be politically convienent.
What? so the government should make it illegal for doctors to give that information? You are incongruant.
8.Removing "IN GOD WE TRUST" off our money
We did just fine without "In God We Trust" before the civil war. we'll be fine without it.
well thats a well thought out argument.
10.Removing God out of the Pledge of Allegiance
It was absent until the 40's and the country was just fine. It'll be fine if it's removed. Besides, E Pluribus Unum was a much better motto, and gives a much better idea of what (I hope) this country still stands for.
Women could not vote, blacks were inslaved, so by your argument, lets go back to the old way! Again, great argument.
11.Forcing homosexuality to be taught as an acceptable alternate lifestyle in public schools
I see nothing wrong with homosexuals. Again, I don't make value decisions based on what people like to do. It's wrong to segrate someone because of race or religion, and I feel it's wrong to segrate based on sexual preferences, too. I suggest you try and meet a homosexual, they really aren't as nasty and rotten as you might think.
You are quite mistaken to make a judgement call on my thinking about homosexuals. Your inference that I am a bigot is not made intelligently. Regardless of your or my belief about homosexuality, it is wrong to teach it as an acceptable lifestyle and actually encourage it.
12.Forcing public schools to adopt Gay/Straight Alliances in communities that do not want them
I personally think this is a good thing. Not too long ago, we were convinced that Black people were inferior to whites, and nobody wanted to accept them as equals. It took time, but we changed that. Christians would claim that segreation was honored in the bible, and I think most christians here would cringe at that.
Invalid and off topic argument. Again, you want the government to force schools to accept gays, but not God. Liberals have a hard time being consistent.
Seriously, take some time to meet some gay people. If you actually know them, you might think twice about dehuminizing them.
OK, you have done this twice now. You are stooping to accusing me of doing things I have not done, a typical liberal ploy when you have no logical argument. I know and am friends with homosexual people. I don't approve of the lifestlye; I don't want schools teaching that it is as normal as heterosexuality. However, I treat them with the same dignity and respect as I give others.
For you to imply that wich you know not about shows YOUR character.
13.Forcing states to accept same sex marriage as equivalent to heterosexual marriage
I am very good friends with a gay couple. If one of them is in the hospital, her partner cannot make medical decisions for them. Her estranged family could have pulled the plug on her out of hatred for her. Is that right? I don't think so.
The same holds true for couples not yet married. And you are either misinformed or being untruthful. Any person can authorize another adult to make medical decisions for that person. It is just not a valid argument. Gays can already enter into state licensed marriage, just not with a person of the same sex.
14.Preventing libraries from blocking pornography in their computers
I've been questioned at a public library for reading gun websites. Is that okay? I know a lot of librarians are screaming liberals. Do you want them to have the power to block gun websites, like this one, because it offends them?
I doubt the veracity of that; however, guns and porn are not the same thing. Should not a public library have the right to carry content based on the community standard? Want your 8 year old walking by a computer at the library and see porn? get back to me when you have kids, OK?
