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Purplehood wrote:I submit that the letter "F" be removed from BATFE. In my mind there is no purpose in regulating Firearms unless one is a convicted Felon or it can be demonstrated that an existing law is being violated. Those are all areas covered by varying levels of Law Enforcement already.

hirundo82 wrote:Nothing that the ATF does couldn't be handled by other law enforcement agencies. Most of the things they police should constitutionally be handled by the states--gun sales, NFA items, criminal possession of firearms. Trafficking in alcohol and tobacco could be handled by the IRS (it's mostly a tax issue anyhow), and any related criminal activities could be handled fine by the DEA. Maybe send a few people over to the FBI to handle regulation of explosives.

The ATF's virtually only purpose is firearms--take that away and there is no reason for them to continue to exist.

mgood wrote:

Purplehood wrote:I submit that the letter "F" be removed from BATFE. In my mind there is no purpose in regulating Firearms unless one is a convicted Felon or it can be demonstrated that an existing law is being violated. Those are all areas covered by varying levels of Law Enforcement already.

hirundo82 wrote:Nothing that the ATF does couldn't be handled by other law enforcement agencies. Most of the things they police should constitutionally be handled by the states--gun sales, NFA items, criminal possession of firearms. Trafficking in alcohol and tobacco could be handled by the IRS (it's mostly a tax issue anyhow), and any related criminal activities could be handled fine by the DEA. Maybe send a few people over to the FBI to handle regulation of explosives.

The ATF's virtually only purpose is firearms--take that away and there is no reason for them to continue to exist.

In case it is not obvious. I agree.

Purplehood wrote:

mgood wrote:

Purplehood wrote:I submit that the letter "F" be removed from BATFE. In my mind there is no purpose in regulating Firearms unless one is a convicted Felon or it can be demonstrated that an existing law is being violated. Those are all areas covered by varying levels of Law Enforcement already.

hirundo82 wrote:Nothing that the ATF does couldn't be handled by other law enforcement agencies. Most of the things they police should constitutionally be handled by the states--gun sales, NFA items, criminal possession of firearms. Trafficking in alcohol and tobacco could be handled by the IRS (it's mostly a tax issue anyhow), and any related criminal activities could be handled fine by the DEA. Maybe send a few people over to the FBI to handle regulation of explosives.

The ATF's virtually only purpose is firearms--take that away and there is no reason for them to continue to exist.

In case it is not obvious. I agree.

I was agreeing with both of you. Edited to make that more clear.

hirundo82 wrote:Nothing that the ATF does couldn't be handled by other law enforcement agencies. Most of the things they police should constitutionally be handled by the states--gun sales, NFA items, criminal possession of firearms. Trafficking in alcohol and tobacco could be handled by the IRS (it's mostly a tax issue anyhow), and any related criminal activities could be handled fine by the DEA. Maybe send a few people over to the FBI to handle regulation of explosives.

The ATF's virtually only purpose is firearms--take that away and there is no reason for them to continue to exist.

Getting rid of the ATF would result in fewer guns being sent over the border, and fewer Border Patrol officers being shot. America just might be a safer place.

Remember Ruby Ridge ....

Liberty wrote:

hirundo82 wrote:Nothing that the ATF does couldn't be handled by other law enforcement agencies. Most of the things they police should constitutionally be handled by the states--gun sales, NFA items, criminal possession of firearms. Trafficking in alcohol and tobacco could be handled by the IRS (it's mostly a tax issue anyhow), and any related criminal activities could be handled fine by the DEA. Maybe send a few people over to the FBI to handle regulation of explosives.

The ATF's virtually only purpose is firearms--take that away and there is no reason for them to continue to exist.

Getting rid of the ATF would result in fewer guns being sent over the border, and fewer Border Patrol officers being shot. America just might be a safer place.

Remember Ruby Ridge ....

I do. And I remember Waco, TX. In my mind those were both totally unnecessary incidents.

Tax collectors gone wild
"We want our $200 manufactures tax fee paid ..."

May 5, 2011




Dear Friend:




Thank you for taking the time to write. I have heard from many Americans regarding firearms policy, and I appreciate your perspective.



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RPB wrote:May 5, 2011




Dear Friend:




Thank you for taking the time to write. I have heard from many Americans regarding firearms policy, and I appreciate your perspective.



I am committed to making my Administration the most open and transparent in history, and part of delivering on that promise is hearing from people like you. I take seriously your opinions and respect your point of view on this important issue. Please know that your concerns will be on my mind in the days ahead.



Thank you, again, for writing. I encourage you to visit http://www.WhiteHouse.gov" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; to learn more about my Administration or to contact me in the future.




Sincerely,



Barack Obama

In the words of a teenager, "I see your mouth moving but all I hear is blah blah blah"

What now the only shotgun I want is a problem to get. Geez no wonder no one had one at the last gun show I attended.

philip964 wrote:What now the only shotgun I want is a problem to get. Geez no wonder no one had one at the last gun show I attended.

I know! And the thing is, I wouldn't want one so much if the ATF hadn't told me I can't have one.

The Saiga 12 was selling around $500 three months ago. It is now selling for around $750. Even the threat of BATFE action is effecting the gun market drastically.