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Re: ACOE land and federal HR 1865

Postby M2K » Sun May 15, 2011 7:48 pm

Thank you for the heads up RHenriksen! I do most of my RV camping in Corps parks as they are well maintained and reasonably priced.

I'll be contacting all my reps tomorrow. :smash:
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Re: ACOE land and federal HR 1865

Postby Jumping Frog » Sun May 15, 2011 9:00 pm

My current Congressman is a co-sponsor, so I guess that makes convincing him pretty easy.
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Re: ACOE land and federal HR 1865

Postby RPB » Sun May 15, 2011 9:09 pm

MeMelYup wrote:I wonder how much of our ammunition and gun tax goes to ACOE?

Also, TPWD Fishing/hunting license fees go to stocking their lakes to attract tourists.

To track the progress, and see the 21 co-sponsors (only a couple from Texas so far)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1865

I posted this on Texas Fishing/Austin Bass/Texas Kayakfishing and Austin kayak fishing forums too ... perhaps they'll enlighten their representatives too .... since with Texas' HB 25 ... it doesn't affect JUST CHLs.
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Re: ACOE land and federal HR 1865

Postby Bullwhip » Mon May 16, 2011 3:38 am

Thanks RPB.
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Re: ACOE land and federal HR 1865

Postby bigred90gt » Mon May 16, 2011 3:28 pm

How does one go about finding out what lakes and waterways may or may not be ACOE? I am getting ready to buy a kayak, and have a couple of places I intend to use it, but would like to know if I can legally bring my handgun with me.
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Re: ACOE land and federal HR 1865

Postby RPB » Mon May 16, 2011 3:45 pm

bigred90gt wrote:How does one go about finding out what lakes and waterways may or may not be ACOE? I am getting ready to buy a kayak, and have a couple of places I intend to use it, but would like to know if I can legally bring my handgun with me.


Basically 3 ways ... 1) ask me :mrgreen:

or
2) go to the TPAWD and see who is the controlling authority
Example:
Granger Lake
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/fishboat/fi ... s/granger/
Reservoir Controlling Authority

United States Army Corps of Engineers

3100 Granger Dam Road
Granger, Texas 76530-5067
(512) 859-2668

3) Also check the Corps lakes gateway to see places we are banned
http://corpslakes.usace.army.mil/visito ... m?state=TX
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Problems can arise say on Whitney Lake and similar locations where it's legal under State law ... but not under Federal ... :headscratch
http://corpslakes.usace.army.mil/visito ... Id=M219920

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/find ... e_whitney/

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By the way, what's your location? I could use a kayak fishing partner sometimes, as could my across the street neighbor.
I'm in Central TX, I usually try to not catch fish .... they get the kayak all slimy, then I have to buy another one (kidding ... it's an addictive FUN sport, like collecting guns) "rlol"
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Re: ACOE land and federal HR 1865

Postby M2K » Mon May 16, 2011 3:45 pm

bigred90gt wrote:How does one go about finding out what lakes and waterways may or may not be ACOE? I am getting ready to buy a kayak, and have a couple of places I intend to use it, but would like to know if I can legally bring my handgun with me.


Here's the main website: http://www.usace.army.mil/about/Pages/Locations.aspx
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Re: ACOE land and federal HR 1865

Postby M2K » Mon May 16, 2011 3:47 pm

Whoops! I bumped with RPB!
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Re: ACOE land and federal HR 1865

Postby RPB » Mon May 16, 2011 3:50 pm

M2K wrote:Whoops! I bumped with RPB!

lol no problem, I assume no one leaves Texas ... you posted National, which is good :thumbs2:
I had no choice but to visit other countries once ... North Dakota, and Florida I think it was, and Louisiana when the border crossing guards weren't looking (big 6 foot gator in the road on I-10 once right at the bridge) :lol:
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Re: ACOE land and federal HR 1865

Postby M2K » Mon May 16, 2011 4:01 pm

RPB wrote:
M2K wrote:Whoops! I bumped with RPB!

lol no problem, I assume no one leaves Texas ... you posted National, which is good :thumbs2:
I had no choice but to visit other countries once ... North Dakota, and Florida I think it was, and Louisiana when the border crossing guards weren't looking (big 6 foot gator in the road on I-10 once right at the bridge) :lol:


Yes, I know its difficult getting all those Visas! :smash: I have been to every state except 3. I'm tired.
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Re: ACOE land and federal HR 1865

Postby RPB » Mon May 16, 2011 8:13 pm

To find your U.S. Representative https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

Just ask him/her to co-sponsor it. ;-)


First .... we'll get the right to use land we paid for ... who knows, next maybe we'll remove the F from BATFE through legislation ... :lol:
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Re: ACOE land and federal HR 1865

Postby bigred90gt » Tue May 17, 2011 11:26 am

RPB wrote:Basically 3 ways ... 1) ask me :mrgreen:

I will look at the referenced sites, but in the mean time, I will follow your first instructions. I'm looking specifically at Cedar Bayou in Baytown, TX, Lake Houston, Lake Conroe for lakes. I dont believe bay's would be ACOE waterways, but in the interest of being sure, Trinity Bay, burnett Bay, Crystal Bay, Scott Bay, Black Duck Bay, and Tabbs Bay.

For reference, I'm in Baytown, TX. Where about in central TX are you located?
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Re: ACOE land and federal HR 1865

Postby RPB » Tue May 17, 2011 11:36 am

bigred90gt wrote:
RPB wrote:Basically 3 ways ... 1) ask me :mrgreen:

I will look at the referenced sites, but in the mean time, I will follow your first instructions. I'm looking specifically at Cedar Bayou in Baytown, TX, Lake Houston, Lake Conroe for lakes. I dont believe bay's would be ACOE waterways, but in the interest of being sure, Trinity Bay, burnett Bay, Crystal Bay, Scott Bay, Black Duck Bay, and Tabbs Bay.

For reference, I'm in Baytown, TX. Where about in central TX are you located?


Near Highland Lakes/ Burnet/Marble Falls ... 11-18 miles from LCRA lakes ... where concealed carry is legal :mrgreen: but only 20- 30 miles from forbidden waters I'd like to kayak/fish :mad5

Moved here from Pasadena ... your coastal National Wildlife areas are fine for CHLs; very little "Galveston" area see http://www.swg.usace.army.mil/ click Recreation in left column for that area
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Re: ACOE land and federal HR 1865

Postby bigred90gt » Wed May 18, 2011 1:57 pm

One reason I ask about Cedar Bayou is that right now, there is a big stink going on on the Bayou with one of the more prominent families in the area. In the late 80's early 90's, they applied to the COE for a "boat slip" permit, and were granted the permit. Time was running out on the permit, and they were trying to renew it, with the intention of opening up a barge terminal on the bayou, basically across the bayou from one of the city parks, where a lot of people fish, ski, run PWC's, etc. Being that they are applying to the COE for their permit, I figured it might be a COE waterway, and me carrying my handgun could cause problems. As for the lakes, I was not able to find Lake Conroe or Lake Houston, but I believe I have read on this site that Conroe IS a COE lake. I will keep digging through your links.
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Re: ACOE land and federal HR 1865

Postby RPB » Wed May 18, 2011 2:18 pm

bigred90gt wrote:One reason I ask about Cedar Bayou is that right now, there is a big stink going on on the Bayou with one of the more prominent families in the area. In the late 80's early 90's, they applied to the COE for a "boat slip" permit, and were granted the permit. Time was running out on the permit, and they were trying to renew it, with the intention of opening up a barge terminal on the bayou, basically across the bayou from one of the city parks, where a lot of people fish, ski, run PWC's, etc. Being that they are applying to the COE for their permit, I figured it might be a COE waterway, and me carrying my handgun could cause problems. As for the lakes, I was not able to find Lake Conroe or Lake Houston, but I believe I have read on this site that Conroe IS a COE lake. I will keep digging through your links.


most lakes, you can use this link and type in the lake name at the end
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/fishboat/fi ... nal/lakes/

like
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/fishboat/fi ... nal/lakes/TYPELAKENAMEHERE/


Lake Conroe - carry :)
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/fishboat/fi ... es/conroe/
Reservoir Controlling Authority

San Jacinto River Authority
Conroe Project Office
PO Box 329
Conroe, Texas 77305
(936) 588-1111
San Jacinto River Authority (SJRA) is an agency of the State of Texas created in 1937 by Special Acts of the .
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Lake Houston - carry
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/fishboat/fi ... s/houston/
Reservoir Controlling Authority

Coastal Water Authority
One Allen Center, Suite 2800
500 Dallas Street
Houston, Texas 77002-4708
(713) 658-9020
Lake Patrol (281) 324-2250

The Coastal Water Authority (CWA) is a conservation and reclamation district created by a Special Act of the 60th Legislature of the State of Texas in 1967

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as opposed to:

Granger Lake - CAN NOT CARRY
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/fishboat/fi ... s/granger/
Reservoir Controlling Authority

United States Army Corps of Engineers
3100 Granger Dam Road
Granger, Texas 76530-5067
(512) 859-2668

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The COE has a bit of "say-so" on all lakes as to building docks/piers, draining it to dredge etc ... but the "controlling authority" is what you look at.

ACOE mostly "controls" lakes/ reservoirs, but also some land/water upstream/downstream from "their" lakes/reservoirs too ... but they dunno the exact boundaries. :banghead:
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