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_PatJohnson_ Pat Johnson
#Guns #ACOE land Federal #HR1865 viewtopic.php?f=4&t=45058&hilit=acoe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; #SnakesCoyotesFeralHogDeliverenceBanjos

The ACOE ban is even more flawed than employee parking lot and campus carry bans IMHO, and it is time the loophole be closed.

Niether private property nor "secure" areas are involved here, and since the Federal Government is the adversary, the Second Ammedment should apply more than ever.

Thought I'd update the Status of the bill (I just faxed 4 US Reps using 2 e-mail addresses on FaxZero, asking them to co-sponsor it)

I hadn't seen this listed before so:


H.R.1865
Latest Title: Recreational Lands Self-Defense Act of 2011
Sponsor: Rep Gibbs, Bob [OH-18] (introduced 5/12/2011) Cosponsors (38)
Latest Major Action: 5/13/2011 Referred to House subcommittee.
Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Water Resources and Environment.

Below is the official Gov site
http://transportation.house.gov/subcomm ... water.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Note that Bob Gibbs is the chair, and that the committee is over the civil works programs of the ACOE

Below is how to contact the committee...Handy "unofficial" site
(can copy-paste fax numbers/names into FaxZero etc)
http://www.contactingthecongress.org/cg ... &plusfour=" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lots of info above



So, the bill has a chance of passing if everyone will get their US Rep to co-sponsor it.
Over 2,500 recreation areas at 450+ lakes, millions of acres ... is a big score.


If you have NON-CHL freinds, who carry in their car, or will carry in their boat/canoe/kayak ... this affects them too ... get them to call/fax/e-mail too if they want to use those recreation areas or park in "their" parking lots, take the kids/girlfriend(s) /boyfriend(s)camping... or get tourism dollars into Texas.

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Find/contact your US Rep here
http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

June 13, 2011
Mr. xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx
xxxx xxxxxxxxxxx St
xxxxxx, TX 7xxxx

Dear Mr. xxxxxxxxxx:

Thank you for contacting me regarding H.R. 1865. As your representative in Washington, I appreciate your opinions. Introduced by Representative Bob Gibbs (R-OH), H.R. 1865 would guarantee the right of citizens to bear arms at water resources development projects administered by the Secretary of the Army.

Currently, this bill has been referred to the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure. Although I do not serve on this committee, I will keep your thoughts in mind as this legislation comes before the House. Again, thank you for contacting me; I appreciate hearing your opinion on this issue. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to call, write, or email me. For more information on my work in Congress or to sign up for my weekly e-newsletter, please visit the 11th District's website at http://www.conaway.house.gov" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. You can also follow me on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/mike.conaway" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and see more of my speeches and interviews on YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/mikeconaway11" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.


Sincerely,

K. Michael Conaway
Member of Congress

KMC/ WR

new article today
http://www.ammoland.com/2011/08/24/army ... um=twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Any Republican Member that does not vote "Yea" on this should be removed from office in the next election.

Same for Senate Republicans, when it gets there for a vote!

I'm really hoping this one doesn't get lost in the shuffle. Nearly all of the recreation areas around here (trails, dog parks, reservoir, parks, etc) are all on ACOE land, and none of it is clearly marked as such. Even the rifle range is on ACOE land.

This would make me very happy.

Don't expect anything from John Carter. Here is what he wrote back to me last year, I also posted it here on Sept 27, 2010, concerning Chet Edwards:

From John Carter:
Thank you for taking the time to contact me with your concerns regarding the Army Corps of Engineers land firearm policy. Your input is important to me, and I appreciate the opportunity to respond;
I have read over your comments, and as a strong proponent of Second Amendment rights, I understand your concerns. In my view, protecting the rights of citizens and providing for their security against foreign enemies and domestic criminals is the most important duty of government. Law abiding citizens have a fundamental right to protect themselves and their families. However, the Army Corps of Engineers has been able to implement any regulation they deem necessary for the safety of their employees, service members, civilians, and anyone who may use the land.
Title 36 of the Code of Federal Regulations governs the rules and regulations of public use of Corps of Engineers property. These regulations prohibit the possession of loaded firearms or ammunition on lands and waters administered by the Corps unless one of the exceptions applies. These exceptions include 1) in the possession of a federal, state or local law enforcement officer; 2) being used for hunting or fishing as permitted under 327.8 with devices being unloaded when transported to, from or between hunting and fishing sites; 3) being used at authorized shooting ranges; or 4) written permission has been received from the District Commander. You may view the full text of 36 CFR at http://corpslakes.usace.army.mil/employ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... itle36.pdf <http://corpslakes.usace.army.mil/employ ... itle36.pdf> .
These regulations will continue to prohibit loaded concealed weapons on Corps properties and it remains Corps policy to not honor State-issued concealed weapon permits on their facilities. If you have any questions concerning this policy, you should contact your local Corps project office. For the Corps site near you, please visit us at http://www.Corpslakes.us" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; <http://www.Corpslakes.us> .
In many of Texas' wildlife parks, people are allowed to carry concealed and non-concealed weapons in compliance with state law. I understand that some people believe the Corps of Engineers weapons policy is unfounded; however, they are certain that these regulations are necessary to ensure a safe place for them to fulfill their mission.
Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact me with your thoughts. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can be of any further assistance.
Sincerely,

John Carter
Member of Congress

I believe old John needs to go, but he ran unopposed last election, if I am not mistaken. John Carter has become one of those Roman type legislatures, he has forgotten he is a Texan and especially a Republican. IMO, we need to not forget these types when election time rolls around. I especially like how they always say, they are strong proponents for the 2nd Amendment, except for...

Troops that were disarmed due to to Army policy slaughtered at Fort Hood.

Troops that were disarmed due to to Army policy slaughtered at Carson City IHOP.

Civilians unable to carry on ACOE lands due to Army policy facing greater risk from hostile feral hogs, coyotes, and pot growers.

Does anyone see a pattern here?

DEB wrote:John Carter
Member of Congress

I believe old John needs to go, but he ran unopposed last election, if I am not mistaken. John Carter has become one of those Roman type legislatures, he has forgotten he is a Texan and especially a Republican. IMO, we need to not forget these types when election time rolls around. I especially like how they always say, they are strong proponents for the 2nd Amendment, except for...

A spineless and worthless idiot for sure. All he does is quote the current policy like an ACOE low-level employee.

Any progress on this bill which seeks to repeal one of the most unjust and meaningless weapons bans?

My guess is that the ACOE really isn't that anti-gun or eager to catch violators, but rather may just be too lazy to formally update the rules.

Yes, the language was successfully tacked onto another bill as an amendment in committee:

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/feder ... tions.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RHenriksen wrote:Yes, the language was successfully tacked onto another bill as an amendment in committee:

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/feder ... tions.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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2013
fiscal year 2013 Energy and Water Development Related Agencies Appropriations bill
http://www.google.com/search?q=U.S.+Rep ... 24&bih=609" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://appropriations.house.gov/News/Do ... ryID=34796" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Apr 25, 2012 - The House Appropriations Committee today approved the fiscal year 2013 Energy and Water and Related Agencies Appropriations bill.
and

http://appropriations.house.gov/News/Do ... tID=292584" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The following amendments were approved by the appropriations Committee: Apr 25

Rep. Frelinghuysen – The Managers Amendment makes technical changes to bill and report language, and makes minor adjustments in certain report language provisions. The amendment passed by voice vote.

Rep. Rehberg – The amendment prohibits funding for the Army Corps to develop or implement new guidance to expand the scope of federal jurisdiction under the Clean Water Act. The amendment passed on a vote of 29-20.

Rep. Alexander – The amendment prohibits funding to implement a mandate by the Energy Independence and Security Act which requires that all new or renovated federal buildings phase out the use of fossil generated electricity. The amendment passed on a voice vote.

Rep. Nunnelee – The Nunnelee amendment allows law-abiding citizens to legally possess firearms on Army Corps of Engineers Water Resource Development lands. The amendment passed on a voice vote.

Rep. LaTourette – The amendment adds language to the report directing the Army Corps of Engineers to consider the impact of flood risk on a small city’s economic viability in determining budget priorities within the Flood Control and Coastal Emergencies funding account. The amendment passed on a voice vote.

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Above is HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE

Below is Senate Bill
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s2465" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
S. 2465: Energy and Water Development and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2013