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It appears that GOP is doing what the left wants

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... li=BBnb7Kz

I said before that all of this bickering was going to break apart the GOP and now it appears that is what has happened. Still not sure Trump is not a Dem in sheep's clothing
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Based on his response last night to the question about the 3 primary functions of federal government, I think he is out of the closet now.

His response, "security, healthcare and education". He then added "housing and great neighborhoods". Not the response of a liberty minded small government conservative.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/03 ... overnment/





Positions such as this are worth breaking the party up over. Why have a GOP of the nominee has such positions? We may end up deciding between two progressive liberals in the general election.
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mojo84 wrote: His response, "security, healthcare and education". He then added "housing and great neighborhoods". Not the response of a liberty minded small government conservative.
But it is what somebody would say during a presidential campaign.
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Well, did we expect a different answer from a populist?
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John Stossel (Fox News Network) is hosting the Libertarian Party's presidential debates on 4/1 and 4/8. For the first time in my life, I am going to watch a libertarian debate.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnstos ... /page/full

According to Stossel (who is is self a Libertarian, so take this info with that in mind) both republican and democrat front runners have such high negativity ratings that the libertarian party is polling at 11% now. I don't know if it can possibly go higher or not. Stossel thinks it can. But, in my mind, what this election boils down to more than any other in perhaps a century, is a contest between people who want a fully realized socialist paradise on one side, and people who want small government with a penchant for protecting individual liberty on the other side.

If you see it in that light, then it is not hard to see that the Republican Party has utterly failed in the latter, and has even at times colluded in the former. The party leadership have failed to uphold the party's principles, and the contest within the party has been a contest between the pragmatists (another word for people who like big government and lots of power in the hands of a few) and the principalists - those people who ask, "when do we stop caving in to the left and begin standing up for and defending our principles?"

Quoting the above article:
Johnson has a track record. The governor cut red tape and the number of government workers in New Mexico. He vetoed 750 bills and used a line-item veto to cut thousands of other items. He lowered New Mexico's taxes and balanced the budget while remaining popular with voters. Running as a Republican, he was elected to a second term in that Democratic state.

Now, as a Libertarian presidential candidate, he warns "the idea that we can somehow balance the federal budget without cutting military spending and reforming entitlements is fantasy."

John McAfee calls government "corrupt" and "technologically illiterate." He says he'll push a policy of "privacy, freedom and technology."

McAfee says, "Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make." He's had a few brushes with the law himself, including an arrest for driving under the influence, so he knows what it's like to be in the government's crosshairs.

Like economist Milton Friedman, he says that we can't have open borders and a big welfare state -- so McAfee says get rid of the welfare state and open the borders, so long as immigrants submit to being documented.

He wants to reduce government's domestic role to policing disputes and otherwise let people engage in trade, including drug sales. He says our military role overseas should be reduced so that we interfere less in the affairs of other nations.

Austin Petersen, like many libertarians, describes himself as "fiscally conservative and socially tolerant." He proposes a 1 percent spending reduction in all government programs and a simple flat tax, and he would let young people opt out of Social Security.

Like Johnson and McAfee, he wants to reduce immigration bureaucracy, the drug war and military interventions. Unlike some Libertarians, Petersen says he is pro-life.

You might be surprised to hear that there is division among Libertarians on issues like abortion. This Friday and next you can watch how these candidates handle the differences.
My view is that, so long as the Republican Party is doing what the left wants (per this thread's title), then isn't it worth taking at look, at and at least listening to, what the Libertarian candidates have to say? Then, vote your conscience......but at least your conscience will be informed. As a proud independent Liberative Conservatarian, that is what I am going to do.

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Trump is Dems mole to destroy the GOP. GOP was rotting anyway. You either re-generate and flourish with the new demographics change or you just decompose, your choice.
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Beiruty wrote:Trump is Dems mole to destroy the GOP. GOP was rotting anyway. You either re-generate and flourish with the new demographics change or you just decompose, your choice.
Maybe, but he's a far less-worse choice than Clinton.

Sadly, that's what this election will come down to.
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Beiruty wrote:Trump is Dems mole to destroy the GOP. GOP was rotting anyway. You either re-generate and flourish with the new demographics change or you just decompose, your choice.
Blaming this on the Democrats is a huge failure to take responsibility, I'd never say that. The Republicans did this to themselves.

You're right about the GOP rotting. And you're right about a lack of fundamental planning around demographics. I'd say that's part of the problem - and a massive problem in the future, but the problem today isn't demographics. Trump isn't exactly winning over minorities or women.

Trump disavowed the Democrats and now he's disavowed his promise to vote for the Republican nominee. He's a bull in a china shop if he gets into the presidency and my only hope would be for a swift impeachment.

Course, if Ted Cruz gets his way:
1) We're going to have a 10% flat tax that's going to massively inflate our national deficit.
2) Wait until he starts patrols on the Muslim neighborhoods, Beiruty. Apparently he can't even recognize where and how national security threats originate.

BTW:
1) This is not an endorsement for any Democrat.
2) I agree with a flat tax. I just don't want a flat tax + exemptions that blows up the already bloated national debt.

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OldCannon wrote:
Beiruty wrote:Trump is Dems mole to destroy the GOP. GOP was rotting anyway. You either re-generate and flourish with the new demographics change or you just decompose, your choice.

Maybe, but he's a far less-worse choice than Clinton.


Sadly, that's what this election will come down to.
I'm starting to wonder...
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Redneck_Buddha wrote:
OldCannon wrote:
Beiruty wrote:Trump is Dems mole to destroy the GOP. GOP was rotting anyway. You either re-generate and flourish with the new demographics change or you just decompose, your choice.

Maybe, but he's a far less-worse choice than Clinton.


Sadly, that's what this election will come down to.
I'm starting to wonder...
I think the differences between them are VERY stark. But don't take my word for it...
http://presidential-candidates.insidego ... nald-Trump
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OldCannon wrote:
Redneck_Buddha wrote:
OldCannon wrote:
Beiruty wrote:Trump is Dems mole to destroy the GOP. GOP was rotting anyway. You either re-generate and flourish with the new demographics change or you just decompose, your choice.

Maybe, but he's a far less-worse choice than Clinton.


Sadly, that's what this election will come down to.
I'm starting to wonder...
I think the differences between them are VERY stark. But don't take my word for it...
http://presidential-candidates.insidego ... nald-Trump

How do they determine which of Trump's many positions on each issue to use for their analysis? It's even hard to choose his latest stance as they change so often, sometimes multiple times per day. See today's stance on abortion and penalties for the mother.
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mojo84 wrote: How do they determine which of Trump's many positions on each issue to use for their analysis? It's even hard to choose his latest stance as they change so often, sometimes multiple times per day. See today's stance on abortion and penalties for the mother.
I dunno. Don't really care. Those are nuances, rather than 180 degree flip-flops.

Here's what I know: I know how Hillary feels about guns, gun ownership, and the gun industry. Whoever is running against her MUST win. If not, we are doomed. She will be FAR more effective in marginalizing the second amendment than Barry could ever hope. That's enough for me.
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OldCannon wrote:
Redneck_Buddha wrote:
OldCannon wrote:
Beiruty wrote:Trump is Dems mole to destroy the GOP. GOP was rotting anyway. You either re-generate and flourish with the new demographics change or you just decompose, your choice.

Maybe, but he's a far less-worse choice than Clinton.


Sadly, that's what this election will come down to.
I'm starting to wonder...
I think the differences between them are VERY stark. But don't take my word for it...
http://presidential-candidates.insidego ... nald-Trump
I don't me wrong, I would NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton. I too will be watching the Libertarian debates.
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OldCannon wrote:
Beiruty wrote:Trump is Dems mole to destroy the GOP. GOP was rotting anyway. You either re-generate and flourish with the new demographics change or you just decompose, your choice.
Maybe, but he's a far less-worse choice than Clinton.

Sadly, that's what this election will come down to.
:iagree: It seems to come down to that pretty often in the national elections.
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My prayer is that it doesn't come down between Hillary and Trump.
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