Concealed Carry Reciprocity is on the Move: Your Lawmakers Need to Hear from You NOW!

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Postby NotRPB » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:55 pm

Maybe tomorrow they'll update the page?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38

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Postby oohrah » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:12 am

bblhd672 wrote:Reminders sent.

I expect nothing from the Republican majorities in the House and Senate. I don’t expect President Trump to receive a bill to sign into law.

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Postby RoyGBiv » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:33 am

Trying to find the recorded vote I came across the markup session transcript. Interesting reading through some of this..
https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-content/ ... script.pdf (opens PDF file)

Among the many amendments offered was one to prohibit "permit shopping". For example, a California resident would not be allowed to get a permit from Arizona and then carry in California. This amendment was not adopted (8 Aye / 17 No).

The final vote was 19 Aye / 11 No, but I've not found a breakout by party. See page 306 for the final vote by name. If anyone wants to translate names to D's and R's, please let us know the results.. :mrgreen:

I've been searching for an amended version of HR 38 but so far have been unsuccessful. Searching the transcript, it appears only 2 amendments were added...

Issa - Extends LEOSA to Federal Judges
King - Allows Congressmen from states without license programs to carry.

If the House can pass this and the Senate not screw it up, this appears to be an awesome Bill. I'm cautiously optimistic.
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Postby TreyHouston » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:55 am

I have no problem making this about Judges and the Congressmen, just make sure we stay on the coattail! :clapping:
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Postby RoyGBiv » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:13 am

Adding to above...

Amendment to maintain ban on "high capacity" magazines where states have banned them - failed. :hurry:

Amendment to allow states to prohibit (blanket prohibition) carrying on private property (restaurants, bars, daycare, etc.) - Failed, HOWEVER, the Bill allows private property owners to prohibit carry on their property. Interesting discussion starting around page 69 through 89.

Amendment to disallow a person who is barred from possessing a gun by state law from carrying in that state. Addresses the different disqualifiers by state. ex. A person is allowed to carry by FL law, but would not be allowed to carry in NY due to some aspect of NY law... This amendment failed.

Amendment to maintain prohibition on ACE (Army Corps) land... Failed!! :thumbs2:

Amendment(s) to allow police to detain you to verify that your documents and license are valid (my simplification) - Failed.

Amendment to carve out Washington DC from the Bill - Failed.
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Postby canvasbck » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:58 am

Ayes:
Goodlatte (R) VI
Chabot (R) OH
Issa (R) CA
King (R) IA
Gohmert (R) TX
Jordan (R) OH
Marino (R) PA
Labrador (R) ID
Collins (R) GA
DeSantis (R) FL
Buck (R) CO
Ratcliffe (R) TX
Roby (R) AL
Gaetz (R) FL
Biggs (R) AZ
Rutherford (R) FL
Handel (R) GA
Franks (R) AZ
Johnson (R) LA



Nays:
Nadler (D) NY
Lofgren (D) CA
Jackson Lee (D) TX
Cohen (D) TN
Cicilline (D) RI
Deutch (D) FL
Swalwell (D) CA
Lieu (D) CA
Raskin (D) MD
Schneider (D) IL
Johnson (D) GA


Abstain or not present (wasn’t clear):
Sensenbrenner (R) WI
Smith (r) TX
POE (R) TX
Gowdy (R) SC
Farenthold (R) TX
Conyers (D) MI (He must have had a date)
Gutierrez (D) IL
Bass (D) CA
Richmond (D) LA
Jeffries (D) NY
Jayapal (D) WA
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Postby Soccerdad1995 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:35 pm

canvasbck wrote:Ayes:
Goodlatte (R) VI
Chabot (R) OH
Issa (R) CA
King (R) IA
Gohmert (R) TX
Jordan (R) OH
Marino (R) PA
Labrador (R) ID
Collins (R) GA
DeSantis (R) FL
Buck (R) CO
Ratcliffe (R) TX
Roby (R) AL
Gaetz (R) FL
Biggs (R) AZ
Rutherford (R) FL
Handel (R) GA
Franks (R) AZ
Johnson (R) LA



Nays:
Nadler (D) NY
Lofgren (D) CA
Jackson Lee (D) TX
Cohen (D) TN
Cicilline (D) RI
Deutch (D) FL
Swalwell (D) CA
Lieu (D) CA
Raskin (D) MD
Schneider (D) IL
Johnson (D) GA


Abstain or not present (wasn’t clear):
Sensenbrenner (R) WI
Smith (r) TX
POE (R) TX
Gowdy (R) SC
Farenthold (R) TX
Conyers (D) MI (He must have had a date)
Gutierrez (D) IL
Bass (D) CA
Richmond (D) LA
Jeffries (D) NY
Jayapal (D) WA


So pretty much a straight party line vote. That does not bode well for us, especially in the Senate.
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Postby RoyGBiv » Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:11 pm

canvasbck wrote:Conyers (D) MI (He must have had a date)

Not a funny situation, but I laughed at the gallows humor.
Thanks for the party id's.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:So pretty much a straight party line vote. That does not bode well for us, especially in the Senate.

A few Ds, like Manchin, will be in a tight spot if they vote against this bill.
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Postby JustSomeOldGuy » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:00 pm

I sincerely hope Blake (the Flake) Farenthold loses his NRA 'A' rating for skipping this one....
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Postby TreyHouston » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:43 pm

JustSomeOldGuy wrote:I sincerely hope Blake (the Flake) Farenthold loses his NRA 'A' rating for skipping this one....


Yes, any nay votes or no vote need to be bumped down at least 2 grades!!!
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Postby RPBrown » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:48 pm

Like I said earlier, I contacted my Representative and didn't expect much if anything because he has that bid D by his name. I just got a reply from him and here is what he said:


MARC VEASEY
33RD DISTRICT, TEXAS

Congress of the United States // House of Representatives // Washington, DC 20515

December 1, 2017
Mr. Raymond P. Brown
1909 Rusdell Dr
Irving, TX 75060-6550

Dear Mr. Brown,

Thank you for contacting me to express your thoughts and concerns regarding H.R. 38, the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.

As you may know, this bill was introduced by Representative Richard Hudson (R-NC) in January 2017. If enacted, H.R. 38 would amend the federal criminal code to require all states to recognize other states' permits allowing for concealed carrying of firearms.

I support the Second Amendment and an individual's right to bear arms, and am committed to enacting responsible and sensible laws that will continue to improve our safety while preserving those rights. Currently, H.R. 38 has been referred to the House Judiciary Committee. Should legislation regarding this issue come to the House floor for a vote, please rest assured that I will keep your views in mind.

Thank you again for contacting me. I welcome any further comments you have on this issue or any other topic important to our country. As an engaged and thoughtful citizen, you play a critical role in our country's democracy. I encourage you to stay in touch with me through my official website, http://www.veasey.house.gov, Facebook.com/CongressmanMarcVeasey page, and @RepVeasey Twitter account.


Sincerely,
(signed)
Marc Veasey
Member of Congress
MV/EE


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Postby TreyHouston » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:52 pm

I keep snowflakes thoughts and ideas everytime I go to the range too!!

I hate blanket answers like that! Do they REALLY CARE?? No,...
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Postby bblhd672 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:02 pm

RPBrown wrote:Like I said earlier, I contacted my Representative and didn't expect much if anything because he has that bid D by his name. I just got a reply from him and here is what he said:


MARC VEASEY
33RD DISTRICT, TEXAS

Congress of the United States // House of Representatives // Washington, DC 20515

December 1, 2017
Mr. Raymond P. Brown
1909 Rusdell Dr
Irving, TX 75060-6550

Dear Mr. Brown,

Thank you for contacting me to express your thoughts and concerns regarding H.R. 38, the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.

As you may know, this bill was introduced by Representative Richard Hudson (R-NC) in January 2017. If enacted, H.R. 38 would amend the federal criminal code to require all states to recognize other states' permits allowing for concealed carrying of firearms.

I support the Second Amendment and an individual's right to bear arms, and am committed to enacting responsible and sensible laws that will continue to improve our safety while preserving those rights. Currently, H.R. 38 has been referred to the House Judiciary Committee. Should legislation regarding this issue come to the House floor for a vote, please rest assured that I will keep your views in mind.

Thank you again for contacting me. I welcome any further comments you have on this issue or any other topic important to our country. As an engaged and thoughtful citizen, you play a critical role in our country's democracy. I encourage you to stay in touch with me through my official website, http://www.veasey.house.gov, Facebook.com/CongressmanMarcVeasey page, and @RepVeasey Twitter account.


Sincerely,
(signed)
Marc Veasey
Member of Congress
MV/EE


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Postby ELB » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:04 pm

A non-governmental site that tracks legislative actions has the following comment on HR 38:

On House Schedule

The House indicated that this bill would be considered in the week ahead.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr38

This was added some time today, it wasn't there this morning.

Also, this governmental site has info on the bill:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-con ... ll/38/text
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Postby TreyHouston » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:09 pm

ELB wrote:A non-governmental site that tracks legislative actions has the following comment on HR 38:

On House Schedule

The House indicated that this bill would be considered in the week ahead.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr38

This was added some time today, it wasn't there this morning.

Also, this governmental site has info on the bill:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-con ... ll/38/text


Govtrack says this bill has a 11% chance of being passed. Only a few reasons but I like this one:

“The bill's primary sponsor is a Republican.”

Hahaha thats so SAD AND TRUE!!!
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