Feed&Guns wrote:LSUTiger wrote:
I'm gonna have to agree with you that tying mental health records to NICS is a slippery slope and disagree with you that it should be done. In theory, it sounds good but in practice it is nothing more than a gun control scheme disguised as "common sense", IMHO. Once any kinda of mental health record, no matter how innocuous gets tied to NICS you can bet that the person will be denied forever.
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As for as the "gun show loophole", I'm all for it. I'm not willing to give an inch thinking the libtards are going to back off on anything especially scary NFA items like SBR and Suppressors. Whoever thinks that compromising with the antis will gain the Pro 2A cause anything is seriously misguided. Their goal is total disarmament/gun confiscation, our goal is "shall not be infringed", the two could not be more polar opposite.
The FFL (not a dig on FFL's but it's a gun control mechanism) is the government's last way to control firearms sales before they happen, private sales, they have no control. So I'm ok with that, you know not giving up freedom and liberty for "security".
I guess my contention is that it should all be equal and fair. (I'll give you a few seconds to regain your composure and pick yourself up off the floor).
If the idea of having FFLs do background checks is for public safety, then the law should be "all sales of guns require NICS". If not, then NOBODY should be required to do them. From a free market perspective, it puts sellers on a level playing field. They handicap businesses in the commerce sector. (Which is what they like, I'm sure).
And I agree that the mental health thing is irreversible. And I also like what you said about "it might discourage people from getting help." But, I think that's giving crazies too much credit.
The solution, like you mentioned, is to arm everybody (or allow them to be). Then, if somebody goes "crazy", there are other non-crazies around to fix the problem. Also, as for "rehabilitation", what is the recidivism rate? Isn't it pretty high? Rehab doesn't really work. Many if not most crimes are committed by ex-cons. It's just in their blood. Someone who used to be crazy probably still has crazy lurking somewhere. Just as "gun free zones" don't prevent mass shootings (but rather enable them!), "no crazies with guns" won't solve the problem of crazy people with guns.
In fact, my biggest complaint is that more people with their CHL don't carry daily. My wife, mother, and close friend are three such people...and we own a gun store. Go figure. I ask them "When will you start carrying?" Response: "If I go somewhere I think I might need it." My Response: "Maybe you shouldn't go there."
So my real feeling is that FFLs shouldn't have to do background checks either if private sales don't have to. And SBRs and silencers should be off the NFA list for sure. I show people in our store my 9.5" Sig 300AAC and hold it up to my Tavor 16.5" 5.56. The Tavor is actually shorter overall length. Tavor: no NFA. SIg: yes NFA.
Many if most of the gun laws are simply illogical and ineffective.
First I had to pick up my self off the floor from laughing at your first statement, not about fairness but from you expecting me to be stunned by your reply.
You are right no one should have to do background checks. I think the FFL/NFA (ineffective at crime reduction, ridiculous and arbitrary) should be done away with, it's nothing more than infringement/gun control. We have all this gun control in place and it does not do anything but burden the the law abiding citizen and do nothing to stop criminals.
"Many if most of the gun laws are simply illogical and ineffective"
The mental health issue might also stop someone else from getting the person in need help if they know how it might affect the rest of their life. The real problem is how easy it is for the government to categorize anything related to mental health into a disqualifying condition. For example, If some one was depressed because a loved one passed away and they sought grief counseling.
As for as recidivism rate, I guess if you commit one small crime you should be locked up forever according to you, eventually petty crimes will lead to violent felonies..... or better yet how about if you did nothing at all, a "minority report" system to condemn you.