30.06 Sign

[stealthfightrf17]

If a 30.06 sign does not meet the requirements can a CHL carrey past and not "take the ride"

[Hoosier Daddy]

If a 30.06 sign does not meet the requirements can a CHL carrey past and not "take the ride"

Yes, if nobody find out they have a handgun.

[nyj]

Legally, yes, however, a cop may not know the actual wording and you could very well end up getting charged.

If it's in VERY large lettering, where I can blatantly see it, and it says 30.06, I look no more and turn around to disarm.

[pcgizzmo]

You may be the rap but you might not beat the ride. There is also intent in the sign so if its close and your at all worried I woudn't do it. Gun buster signs walk right through. If 30.06 is on it and the wording is there but maybe not in Spanish or as large as it should be then I still obey it.

[WildBill]

There is also intent in the sign so if its close ...

I don't know what you mean by this statement.

I have no intention of taking a ride, except in my own vehicle. The legal requirements of a 30.06 sign are very specific for a very good reason. If the sign doesn't have the exact wording, in English and Spanish and is not of the proper size required by law, then it is not enforceable. Period.

[speedsix]

...exactly, Wild Bill... I'm tired of that cute little scareya phrase "May beat the rap but you won't beat the ride"...I won't live afraid of going to jail for following the letter of the law...this is America, not some Iron Curtain country...if it ain't right...it ain't enforceable...just like if I ain't right, I AM going to jail...same rules apply for them as do for us...

[Hoosier Daddy]

The police have never arrested anyone who wasn't breaking the law? Ever?

[WildBill]

...exactly, Wild Bill... I'm tired of that cute little scareya phrase "May beat the rap but you won't beat the ride"...I won't live afraid of going to jail for following the letter of the law...this is America, not some Iron Curtain country...if it ain't right...it ain't enforceable...just like if I ain't right, I AM going to jail...same rules apply for them as do for us...

Nobody innocent has ever been arrested?

I know of one case, but she was not prosecuted. I refuse to live my life like there is a boogeyman behind every non-compliant 30.06 sign.

[speedsix]

The police have never arrested anyone who wasn't breaking the law? Ever?

...why, of course they have...you know that...but I'll let you in on a little secret...police can be disciplined, too, for not knowing/obeying the law...and they have...from reprimand to lawsuit...some even with felony charges...and this is no different...our job is to follow the CHL laws...theirs is to know and enforce them properly...we assume that both of us do our job well...and the system is in place to deal with either of us who don't...so that we DON'T have to live in fear...

[Hoosier Daddy]

My apologies for answering the question the OP asked. I'm done with this thread.

[sugar land dave]

Per the DPS website:

PROHIBITING HANDGUNS IN A BUSINESS OR OTHER ENTITY

In order to provide notice that entry on property by a license holder with a concealed handgun is forbidden, Penal Code Section 30.06(c)(3)(A) requires that a written communication contain the following language:

"PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE (TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF A LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN) A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW), MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN."

"CONFORME A LA SECCIÓN 30.06 DEL CÔDIGO PENAL (TRASPASAR PORTANDO ARMAS DE FUEGO) PERSONAS CON LICENCIA BAJO DEL SUB-CAPITULO H, CAPITULO 411, CODIGO DE GOBIERNO (LEY DE PORTAR ARMAS), NO DEBEN ENTRAR A ESTA PROPIEDAD PORTANDO UN ARMA DE FUEGO."


Download language

Penal Code Section 30.06(c)(3)(B) further states that a sign must meet the following requirements:

1. includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
2. appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and
3. is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

Please note that while the language provided above may be downloaded for convenience, it does not meet the requirements of Section 30.06(c)(3)(B) and may not be used as a sign.<--------

[wgoforth]

Apparently some have been arrested when carry past non-compliant sign, viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12754" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I keep falling back on the fact that the Sarge here over the state troopers in my county telling me he would arrest anyone caught carrying past a no-gun sign, whether 30.06 or not. I'm sure it would be no-billed, but doesn't mean it can't or hasn't. Of course if they do, then you could also sue for false arrest...

[bigmoney]

(3) "Written communication" means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language
identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code
(trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person
licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed
handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed
handgun"; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both
English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least
one inch in height; and
(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to
the public.

What about the "or" just before part "B". Doesn't that mean section A or B? As in one or the other, which could therefore mean that a sign with just section A would be enough of an effective notice? I ask because my dad read this from the DPS website and brought it up to me during a debate he started by saying I couldn't carry to church, in which I proved him wrong. But he brought up a valid point to me when he mentioned the "or" when he asked what signs could stop me from carrying.

[WildBill]

Apparently some have been arrested when carry past non-compliant sign, viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12754" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is the one arrest that I was referring to. Ultimately, the DA declined to press charges.

[sugar land dave]

I keep falling back on the fact that the Sarge here over the state troopers in my county telling me he would arrest anyone caught carrying past a no-gun sign, whether 30.06 or not.

When I hear things like that said, I would tend towards calling or writing a letter to the appropriate people at DPS in Austin. Many times the people at the state level are unaware that someone at local level is not well-trained or in compliance with state law. I have yet to meet someone at the top levels of an organization who have not welcomed the opportunity to correct a wrong when they have suffered the dismay of learning of it.