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Re: Response From DPS Regarding Policies When Encountering C

Postby longtooth » Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:26 am

AEA wrote:
longtooth wrote:Welcome tothe forum Texas Sheepdog. With 4 post you have definately made a 1st impression.
With me too.
Do you mind sharing your location & agency of your avitar?
At least the County of your jurisdiction.???


Texas Sheepdog.......did you miss this request above?


He probably just missed it for a week. He has answered far more important posts yesterday.
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Re: Response From DPS Regarding Policies When Encountering C

Postby jimlongley » Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:50 am

Texas Sheepdog wrote:Our policy says to disarm everyone. If the gun comes back clean and we can verify their credentials, they get the gun back unloaded, and they can reload after they leave the scene. If there's any questions, we can hold onto the gun until we sort things out. Sometimes we hold onto the suspect too, depending on the contact. LOL


So your policy stands in direct violation of the law?

The law says that an officer may disarm a CHL holder if that officer reasonably believes it is necessary for safety, that puts the onus on the officer, not department policy.

Sounds like it's time for an Attorney General decision to stop the rampant abuse of the law by departments using "policy" instead of the reasonable belief of the officer on the scene.
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Re: Response From DPS Regarding Policies When Encountering C

Postby texanjoker » Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:03 pm

jimlongley wrote:
Texas Sheepdog wrote:Our policy says to disarm everyone. If the gun comes back clean and we can verify their credentials, they get the gun back unloaded, and they can reload after they leave the scene. If there's any questions, we can hold onto the gun until we sort things out. Sometimes we hold onto the suspect too, depending on the contact. LOL


So your policy stands in direct violation of the law?

The law says that an officer may disarm a CHL holder if that officer reasonably believes it is necessary for safety, that puts the onus on the officer, not department policy.

Sounds like it's time for an Attorney General decision to stop the rampant abuse of the law by departments using "policy" instead of the reasonable belief of the officer on the scene.


It's not real safe IMO to be loading and unloading a gun on a city street (if that's where he works).
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Re: Response From DPS Regarding Policies When Encountering C

Postby MeMelYup » Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:06 pm

jimlongley wrote:
Texas Sheepdog wrote:Our policy says to disarm everyone. If the gun comes back clean and we can verify their credentials, they get the gun back unloaded, and they can reload after they leave the scene. If there's any questions, we can hold onto the gun until we sort things out. Sometimes we hold onto the suspect too, depending on the contact. LOL

That really sounds like disrespect for people with a CHL to me.
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Re: Response From DPS Regarding Policies When Encountering C

Postby mojo84 » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:27 pm

MeMelYup wrote:
jimlongley wrote:
Texas Sheepdog wrote:Our policy says to disarm everyone. If the gun comes back clean and we can verify their credentials, they get the gun back unloaded, and they can reload after they leave the scene. If there's any questions, we can hold onto the gun until we sort things out. Sometimes we hold onto the suspect too, depending on the contact. LOL

That really sounds like disrespect for people with a CHL to me.


More like intimidation and bullying to me.
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Re: Response From DPS Regarding Policies When Encountering C

Postby texanjoker » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:20 pm

mojo84 wrote:
MeMelYup wrote:
jimlongley wrote:
Texas Sheepdog wrote:Our policy says to disarm everyone. If the gun comes back clean and we can verify their credentials, they get the gun back unloaded, and they can reload after they leave the scene. If there's any questions, we can hold onto the gun until we sort things out. Sometimes we hold onto the suspect too, depending on the contact. LOL

That really sounds like disrespect for people with a CHL to me.


More like intimidation and bullying to me.


I personally do not believe every CHL holder needs to be disarmed. In addition I would be curious to read their policy if it existed.
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Re: Response From DPS Regarding Policies When Encountering C

Postby pbwalker » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:25 pm

$1 to a donut this is his personal policy. If this was his department's policy, there would be no problem sharing the PD's name / location so CHLers would know, and avoid, such an area. I'm guessing we won't ever hear which PD it is...

Unless the mods want to pull his / her IP address and do a reverse lookup on it. :cool:
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Re: Response From DPS Regarding Policies When Encountering C

Postby texanjoker » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:59 pm

pbwalker wrote:$1 to a donut this is his personal policy. If this was his department's policy, there would be no problem sharing the PD's name / location so CHLers would know, and avoid, such an area. I'm guessing we won't ever hear which PD it is...

Unless the mods want to pull his / her IP address and do a reverse lookup on it. :cool:


If he is a leo he may fall under the social media policies. Many agencies now have social media policies that actually prohibit one from saying where they work while visiting social websites online. With that you have to remain anonymous. But then if that is a real photo on the avatar in uniform showing a company car I would guess they don't have that policy.
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Re: Response From DPS Regarding Policies When Encountering C

Postby Abraham » Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:48 pm

I'm thinking the word "imposter"...
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Re: Response From DPS Regarding Policies When Encountering C

Postby jmra » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:28 pm

texanjoker wrote:
pbwalker wrote:$1 to a donut this is his personal policy. If this was his department's policy, there would be no problem sharing the PD's name / location so CHLers would know, and avoid, such an area. I'm guessing we won't ever hear which PD it is...

Unless the mods want to pull his / her IP address and do a reverse lookup on it. :cool:


If he is a leo he may fall under the social media policies. Many agencies now have social media policies that actually prohibit one from saying where they work while visiting social websites online. With that you have to remain anonymous. But then if that is a real photo on the avatar in uniform showing a company car I would guess they don't have that policy.

The social media policy is a smart move on the part of PDs, especially if they are advising their officers to participate in illegal activities such as disarming a CHL even when there is no perceived threat.
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Re: Response From DPS Regarding Policies When Encountering C

Postby anygunanywhere » Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:21 pm

longtooth wrote:
He probably just missed it for a week. He has answered far more important posts yesterday.


Still no response LT??

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Re: Response From DPS Regarding Policies When Encountering C

Postby Abraham » Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:49 pm

I think TS has been unmasked - but, he had us going for awhile...

My guess: he'll reappear under another name.

Maybe then, I won't be as gullible...
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Re: Response From DPS Regarding Policies When Encountering C

Postby AEA » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:53 pm

Abraham wrote:I'm thinking the word "imposter"...

That's probably a accurate thought.

Or.......he could be in the Hospital recovering from disarming a CHL and shooting himself in the leg while trying to run the numbers.
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Re: Response From DPS Regarding Policies When Encountering C

Postby texanjoker » Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:03 pm

AEA wrote:
Abraham wrote:I'm thinking the word "imposter"...

That's probably a accurate thought.

Or.......he could be in the Hospital recovering from disarming a CHL and shooting himself in the leg while trying to run the numbers.



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Re: Response From DPS Regarding Policies When Encountering C

Postby longtooth » Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:13 pm

anygunanywhere wrote:
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He probably just missed it for a week. He has answered far more important posts yesterday.


Still no response LT??

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Nope & my comment about more important posts was sarcasim. That is about as close to a joke as I ever tell on acount I kant tellem.
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