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Utah nonresident ccw

Postby Epogen » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:25 pm

Is a Utah nonresident ccw valid for concealed carry in Texas if I am a new Texas resident?
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Re: Utah nonresident ccw

Postby Mike1951 » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:29 pm

Only if you already have the Texas CHL.

That is the recent Utah criteria for issuing.

ETA: If you already have the Utah ccw and move to Texas, it would be honored.
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Re: Utah nonresident ccw

Postby infoman » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:38 pm

Once you move to Texas you're Utah permit is no longer valid unless you also have a Texas CHL Permit.
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Re: Utah nonresident ccw

Postby Epogen » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:41 pm

I'm moving from CA and the Utah permit I have is a nonresident Utah permit
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Re: Utah nonresident ccw

Postby Epogen » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:44 pm

Mike says yes . Info man says no...I'm confused
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Re: Utah nonresident ccw

Postby 03Lightningrocks » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:45 pm

Mike1951 wrote:Only if you already have the Texas CHL.

That is the recent Utah criteria for issuing.

ETA: If you already have the Utah ccw and move to Texas, it would be honored.


This is the way I understand the law to work as well. i believe the other part of this is that when you go to renew your Utah non resident, they will require you have a Texas resident CHL for renewal.

A Utah non resident permit is valid to carry concealed in Texas. Regardless of whether you have a Texas CHL or not.

One more little tidbit that may be a problem. If Utah requires you update your residence with them to maintain your Utah permit, I wonder if they might invalidate your permit based on the new rules?

Page a poster named crossfire.... They teach the Utah coarse and are the experts on this. It might be trickier than I am thinking. ... Or not. :mrgreen:
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Re: Utah nonresident ccw

Postby Mike1951 » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:50 pm

infoman wrote:Once you move to Texas you're Utah permit is no longer valid unless you also have a Texas CHL Permit.


i think we're going to need our Utah instructors to weigh in on this.

We still have a valid reprocity agreement with Utah, so I fail to see why an existing Utah ccw would not be honored.

It was Utah's decision not to renew or issue non-resident licenses without a valid Texas CHL.

I think an existing license would be valid until expiration.
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Re: Utah nonresident ccw

Postby JALLEN » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:58 pm

Here is what Utah says:

This new law becomes effective for first time non resident applicants May 10, 2011 and for renewal of non resident permits 1/1/2012. Those requirements are:
53-5-704.
(4) (a) In addition to meeting the other qualifications for the issuance of a concealed firearm permit
under this section, a nonresident applicant who resides in a state that recognizes the validity of the
Utah permit or has reciprocity with Utah's concealed firearm permit law shall:

(i) hold a current concealed firearm or concealed weapon permit issued by the appropriate
permitting authority of the nonresident applicant's state of residency; and
(ii) submit a photocopy or electronic copy of the nonresident applicant's current


I have a Utah permit. As a resident of California, which does NOT recognize Utah's, I can have a non-resident permit but when I move to Texas, I have to get a Texas permit in order to renew the Utah one. I am hoping that will be soon.

Florida accepts permits from residents of the states they honor. They will not honor a Non-Resident permit from any state they honor. So, my Utah permit, being a non-resident permit, is no good in Florida, but my Florida permit is. I no longer have a CA permit (it expired and since I am moving to Texas, I did not renew) but my Texas resident permit will be when I get it.
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Re: Utah nonresident ccw

Postby The Annoyed Man » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:30 am

Epogen wrote:Mike says yes . Info man says no...I'm confused

It used to be that the answer was an unqualified "Yes." But last year, Utah passed a new law that they will not issue a non-resident permit to someone unless that person has a valid permit from their state of residence. What that means is that if you apply NOW for a non-resident Utah CFP, they will not give you one unless you already have a CHL. However, If you moved here with a valid Utah non-resident CFP, then it might still be valid. But once it expires, you will not be able to renew it until you have a valid resident CHL.
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Re: Utah nonresident ccw

Postby Jumping Frog » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:42 am

infoman wrote:Once you move to Texas you're Utah permit is no longer valid unless you also have a Texas CHL Permit.

Where do you get this? It is so not accurate. If you don't know the answer, please don't give incorrect information.
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Re: Utah nonresident ccw

Postby carlson1 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:07 am

03Lightningrocks wrote:This is the way I understand the law to work as well. i believe the other part of this is that when you go to renew your Utah non resident, they will require you have a Texas resident CHL for renewal.

A Utah non resident permit is valid to carry concealed in Texas. Regardless of whether you have a Texas CHL or not.

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Page a poster named crossfire.... They teach the Utah coarse and are the experts on this. It might be trickier than I am thinking. ... Or not. :mrgreen:


:iagree: This is the way I understand it.


03Lightningrocks wrote:One more little tidbit that may be a problem. If Utah requires you update your residence with them to maintain your Utah permit, I wonder if they might invalidate your permit based on the new rules?

I believe here that Utah would just do a change of address as Texas does for a small fee. Don't know that for sure though.


One of the Utah instructors will surely be along to answer this for sure.
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Re: Utah nonresident ccw

Postby Crossfire » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:38 am

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Epogen wrote:Mike says yes . Info man says no...I'm confused

It used to be that the answer was an unqualified "Yes." But last year, Utah passed a new law that they will not issue a non-resident permit to someone unless that person has a valid permit from their state of residence. What that means is that if you apply NOW for a non-resident Utah CFP, they will not give you one unless you already have a CHL. However, If you moved here with a valid Utah non-resident CFP, then it might still be valid. But once it expires, you will not be able to renew it until you have a valid resident CHL.

This is the correct answer. Your Utah non-resident permit is honored in Texas. But, when it expires, Utah will not renew it unless you also have a Texas CHL.

You do want to update the address on the permit. You can do that by email. Info here: http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/CFAddChg.html
It doesn't cost anything to update your address, unless you want a new card, then I think they want $15 for that.
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Re: Utah nonresident ccw

Postby Jumping Frog » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:40 am

03Lightningrocks wrote:
One more little tidbit that may be a problem. If Utah requires you update your residence with them to maintain your Utah permit, I wonder if they might invalidate your permit based on the new rules?

When I moved to Texas, I updated my address for my Utah non-resident license without giving them any Texas CHL information. It was a simple address change to an existing license.
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Re: Utah nonresident ccw

Postby Epogen » Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:02 am

Thanks Everyone. Happy New Year!
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Re: Utah nonresident ccw

Postby JALLEN » Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:59 pm

Jumping Frog wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote:
One more little tidbit that may be a problem. If Utah requires you update your residence with them to maintain your Utah permit, I wonder if they might invalidate your permit based on the new rules?

When I moved to Texas, I updated my address for my Utah non-resident license without giving them any Texas CHL information. It was a simple address change to an existing license.


That's what I think should happen but when you renew, you'll have to have a TCHL or move!
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