Dragonfighter wrote:texanjoker wrote:Dragonfighter wrote:Anyone remember the guys going around firing paintball guns at people and filming it? The sad fact is I would probably have returned fire. They "pop" and really hurt and if I saw a red splat where I was hurting I would count myself dead and return fire. A pellet gun on the other hand is, or at least can be, a lethal weapon; ask the mafia.
I would not want to use lethal force on somebody with a paint ball. IF one were to use lethal force against a paintball marker, you better able to clearly articulate why you did. We carried the pepperballs (harder then normal paint balls and full of pepper spray in a powder). The company guarantees that they are non lethal if you use their equipment which is their expensive paint ball launcher. It is no different then a store bought marker, just you pay a lot more for the guarantee of it being non lethal. I have shot many a crook with these and nobody ever required anything more then a wash down of the pepper powder.
If you're not familiar with the case I cited, there were teenagers in the Plano area (IIRC) that were rolling around at night in their car. They would see a jogger or somebody walking home and pull up next to them at night, open fire while recording the action. Having seen the videos it was a significant "pop", "pop", "pop" and the victims doubling over in pain. So let me ask, if with your experience, a car load of teenagers pull up next to you at night stick the barrel of a weapon out the window and open fire at you. Are you going to wait and see if you survive the hits (and yes I have been hit with paint balls in and out of padding, and have had significant bruising with padding) or even wait to get hit before you decide to defend yourself? I bet if one of the victims had killed one of the miscreants, the video alone would have exonerated them.
I would have to have that happen to know how I would respond. It would come down to what I thought was happening at the time, and what fear or lack of fear I might be facing. If I believed it was a gun, then lethal force could be used. If I knew it was a paint ball, I would not. I do not personally believe being shot at or with a paint ball warrants using lethal force. To me paint ball and gun fire do not sound the same. I have played paint ball and we trained with it a lot working k9s. I have also been shot at by criminals and to me they are very different sounds. We had a series like that before as well. It was a pain. In CA law it was merely a battery, and not even a bookable offense in jail. Everybody was glad when they finally caught the kids.