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Postby liberty2014 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:18 am

I own two dogs, Duke a 3 year old pit bull and Justice a 5 year old german shepherd, i walk them together. I live in the city, but my house is near some woods and we always see deer, racoons, and coyote. I have been lucky that neither of my dogs have got in a fight with a wild animal. My question is, say im walking my dogs amd a coyote comes out and shows signs off aggression toward the dog or myself and i shoot the animal will i be in trouble? I know these boys would die for me, but i dont want them to if i can help it. Since these are what the media calls a "guard dog" and not a 3lb chihuahua will it make it easier for the leo to charge me with something? What would you do in that situation?
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Re: ok to shoot?

Postby fickman » Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:28 am

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/27/AR2010042705323.html

YMMV.

Every day you don't fire your weapon will likely be better than the ones where you do. Every day you leave it concealed will likely be even better than either of those.

I'd consider all options, try to avoid it, make sure it was really menacing us, etc. before taking any action.

Consider the perspective of witnesses. If the coyote is five yards away, growling, and moving closer, take immediate action. If it's 100 yards away, standing still, and merely watching you, be aware and ready but don't engage. Somewhere in the middle will be up to your judgment.

If you draw OR shoot, call the police immediately.

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Re: ok to shoot?

Postby jmra » Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:01 am

My limited experience with coyotes would lead me to believe that being approached by a man and two large dogs would result in the coyotes quick departure.
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Re: ok to shoot?

Postby Hawk99 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:48 pm

Being aggressive sounds like a diseased animal. Maybe rabid. That would mean you and your dogs are in danger as well as anyone else nearby.
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Re: ok to shoot?

Postby Wes » Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:58 pm

A healthy coyote will not get close to a person and as mentioned, if it is not mere feet away actively being aggressive towards you then leave it be. I've been hunting on and off for the past twenty years, even specifically for coyotes and when they are called in and get close, as soon as they see or hear something unusual (your coat scratching against a gun rest for example), they high tail it out of there. I have them in my area too, and have called the tarrant county sheriff to see what their stance is and I was very specifically told if I was not firing my weapon in immediate defense of myself or a loved one it would be considered a criminal act. I consider my animals loved ones and he did not disagree. I would like to reiterate the highly unlikely hood of a coyote attacking you or your animals while you are out walking though. It's just not going to happen.
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Re: ok to shoot?

Postby Moby » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:59 pm

With a Shepard and a Pit, you have little to worrie about amigo.
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Re: ok to shoot?

Postby RX8er » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:43 pm

The Coyote might shoot instead. ;-) With a Shepard and Pit, I bet it fears for it's life and runs. If you had a couple Chihuahuas, it may be a different story.
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Re: ok to shoot?

Postby 03Lightningrocks » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:50 pm

I walked up on a coyote in my front yard one night... Or maybe he walked up on me. We both just froze and stared at each other as I tried to decide if I could jump on top of my mailbox to get away. He turned and beat a hasty retreat. As already said here, coyotes that aren't rabid won't get near you. They also won't approach two large dogs. They will however run up and grab a small pet and take off. It has happened, right here in good old Plano Texas.

I have to say this though. That pit bull would kick the crap out of that coyote... LOL. Wiley coyote would find out right quick he picked the wrong dinner entree.
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Re: ok to shoot?

Postby apostate » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:38 pm

Are you planning a run for Governor? ;-)
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Re: ok to shoot?

Postby RPBrown » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:33 am

In answer to your question, ask our governer. He shot a coyote while jogging with his dog
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Re: ok to shoot?

Postby Diesel42 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:51 am

When walking my dog, I carry pepper spray. It's non-lethal.
I live in an area where several folks keep pit bulls without proper fences or controls. Yes, I've called animal control and even the police. Until someone gets bit, it's a low priority for them. So, pepper spray is effective on anything within 20 feet and it avoids involving the police for firing a weapon or proving self defence. For me, drawing my weapon will always be the last option. BTW, a strong "NO" has always worked up til now.
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Re: ok to shoot?

Postby 03Lightningrocks » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:08 am

Diesel42 wrote:When walking my dog, I carry pepper spray. It's non-lethal.
I live in an area where several folks keep pit bulls without proper fences or controls.


Sorry to be off topic, but I had to comment when I read this. I love the American Pit Bull Terrior and the other breeds that fall into the "pit bull" category. When I read stuff like this my blood boils! I compare it to gun control. A few morons don't handle their dogs right and the breed is blamed rather than the owners. There are actually cities and counties around our once free country actually confiscating and killing this breed for no reason other than the "look" of the dog. By the way... I realize you in no way disparaged the breed. My post was more of a general statement on a situation that makes me nuts. Folks... we are losing our rights in this country one at a time and it is happening because far to many people don't care as long as the infringement has no affect on them. On and on we go.... right down the ole toilet!

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Re: ok to shoot?

Postby liberty2014 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:38 am

I dont know why being in an area where people keep pit bulls would make you more worried. They arent bad dogs its just what the media reports because its grabs attention. The cdc has many dogd listed as more aggresive than pit bulls. Only criminals would train them to be aggresive and if thats the case i wouldnt worry about the dogs as much i would the owners. Sorry to rant, but its just my oponion. If you really think pit bulls are all mean i would love to introduce you mine, he is the biggest lap dog in the world and actually runs away from my 4 inch sulcata tortoise
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Re: ok to shoot?

Postby jmra » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:42 am

My opinion about pit bulls is tainted by the people that lived next door to us when I was growing up. One day I heard a commotion. Looked out the window only to find my brother standing on top of his truck with a 2x4 holding off the pack.

It turned out to be an opportunity to try out my brand new Winchester 1200 Ranger. It out performed my expectations.

Before people start going nuts, I intentionally missed. Of course the dogs were gassed at the city pound the following week.
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Re: ok to shoot?

Postby dac1842 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:32 am

if you have to ask, then it was probably not ok. There is a simple test to determine if deadly force is necessary, was your life, or the life of another person in eminent danger? The test is simple, however it will have to be the fastest, yet most difficult decision you will ever make. Then the Monday morning quarterbacking is heck.

If the answer is yes, then it is ok to shoot. Even if you are shooting an animal that you determine is placing you or another in danger, remember that a police officer must agree with you, if he doesn't then a district attorney, judge and/or jury must agree with you.
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