Applying without SS#

[Roush1617]

I have taken the course in Mid-December and wanted to apply with the state online and it is asking for my SS#. The law was changed to not have to record a SS# as of September 2013. The DPS website has not been updated and will not allow me to continue the online application process without supplying my SS#. I have called the DPS office and spoke with a lady in the CHL office and she says she is not sure when the website will be updated.

I know I can apply by mail but I really wanted to my use credit card to pay for both my wife and myself vs. writing a check. How do I accomplish getting the process started by not having to supply my SS# & pay with credit card?

Thanks!

[smokejensen]

Have you tried 000000000 to see if it would accept that?

[SATX-Scrub]

Interesting first post, anyway...

The state already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.
The federal gov't already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.
The credit card company already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.
The check you don't want to write is from a bank that already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.

I think we're making a problem out of something that really isn't a problem, but I'm just a citizen, so I'm just spitballing.

[Oldgringo]

Interesting first post, anyway...

The state already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.
The federal gov't already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.
The credit card company already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.
The check you don't want to write is from a bank that already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.

I think we're making a problem out of something that really isn't a problem, but I'm just a citizen, so I'm just spitballing.

My thoughts exactly.

[txglock21]

Interesting first post, anyway...

The state already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.
The federal gov't already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.
The credit card company already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.
The check you don't want to write is from a bank that already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.

I think we're making a problem out of something that really isn't a problem, but I'm just a citizen, so I'm just spitballing.

But if you will post your SS# on here, I will see what I can do about it.

[HKMike]

Some things are not as complicated as they seem. Write the check.

[smokejensen]

Interesting first post, anyway...

The state already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.
The federal gov't already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.
The credit card company already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.
The check you don't want to write is from a bank that already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.

I think we're making a problem out of something that really isn't a problem, but I'm just a citizen, so I'm just spitballing.

But if you will post your SS# on here, I will see what I can do about it.

The man is asking for help for a specific issue. He's not asking how you feel about using his tax ID number. If he wanted opinions on how to conduct his business he could ask Dr Phil. But hey, if you just need to boost your post stats........

[txglock21]

Interesting first post, anyway...

The state already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.
The federal gov't already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.
The credit card company already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.
The check you don't want to write is from a bank that already has your tax ID number, so no big deal there.

I think we're making a problem out of something that really isn't a problem, but I'm just a citizen, so I'm just spitballing.

But if you will post your SS# on here, I will see what I can do about it.

The man is asking for help for a specific issue. He's not asking how you feel about using his tax ID number. If he wanted opinions on how to conduct his business he could ask Dr Phil. But hey, if you just need to boost your post stats........

Sorry if I offended you and your high standards of posting, but it was just a joke! I thought that was obvious by the three jesters. And by the way, I don't post just to "boost" my post stats! I'm offended by that remark.

[smokejensen]

Sorry if I offended you and your high standards of posting, but it was just a joke! I thought that was obvious by the three jesters. And by the way, I don't post just to "boost" my post stats! I'm offended by that remark.

I know your just kidding. I'm not offended. Just like I know you're not offended. In Texas every bodies skin is thicker. But I won't throw popcorn at you to test out that theory.

[infoman]

The website is not going to change anytime soon for the foreseeable future. Unless you want to wait 6 months you will have to mail your stuff in. Personally I don't see the big deal in typing in your SSN? They have your SSN on file already. The drivers license office has your SSN on file. they do thousands of transactions every day, no one has ever had an identity theft issue from a DPS employee. To sum up: 1. Wait 6 months or 2. mail payment in now.

[smokejensen]

The website is not going to change anytime soon for the foreseeable future. Unless you want to wait 6 months you will have to mail your stuff in. Personally I don't see the big deal in typing in your SSN? They have your SSN on file already. The drivers license office has your SSN on file. they do thousands of transactions every day, no one has ever had an identity theft issue from a DPS employee. To sum up: 1. Wait 6 months or 2. mail payment in now.

You may or may not be correct in your guess as to theft from a DPS employee, but...

http://www.databreaches.net/alabama-and ... o-hackers/

In a second hack, announced today on Twitter, @CabinCr3w and w0rmer attacked the Texas Department of Public Safety (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) although they didn’t dump any sensitive information. The Dallas Police Department and Texas Police Chiefs Association had previously been hacked.

Be sure to read about Mobile where they obtained:

Full Legal Names
Social Security Numbers
License Plate Numbers
Date of Births
Phone Numbers
Addresses
Criminal Records

And from Texas DPS' own website:
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/director_s ... 061400.htm

Opinions?

[RoyGBiv]

I make a habit out of NOT providing my SSN wherever possible.
Just like I make a habit out of CC-ing wherever possible.

When I first applied for my TX DL, I was fairly annoyed that SSN was required...

http://www.identityhawk.com/Who-Can-Law ... ity-Number" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Who has the right to request your SSN? Federal law mandates that state Departments of Motor Vehicles, tax authorities, welfare offices, and other governmental agencies request your SS number as proof that you are who you claim to be. However, the Privacy Act of 1974 requires that government agencies at the local, state, and federal level disclose to each person whether submitting your Social Security number is required, details on the use of this information, and what law or authority requires its use.

Please note that this Act stipulates that no one can deny you a government service or benefit for failing to provide your SSN unless federal law specifically requires it.

Federal law stipulates an exception if the requirement existed before 1975... I sure don't like it.

[smokejensen]

Before I ruffle anymore feathers on this thread, let me explain how this topic of SS#s affects me personally.
For the last ten years, each year without fail my wife has had her identity stolen including but not limited to: Bank account info, credit card info, DL#, SS#, and her immediate family's info which they used as references to obtain credit cards in her name. She has had to hire a company similar to LifeLock(TM) to protect her identity. This is only made possible by guberment and guberment issued numbers. I hate the fact that I have prove to some guberment functionary who I am. We are nothing to gubermant but a number.
To sum up;
!.Your number can and will be stolen and it does't matter who steals it.
2. You'll be left with the fallout and gubermet doesn't give a rats rear end about you're problems.
3. The SS# makes this theft possible.
4. You're a nobody without a number.

Opinions?

[jbarn]

Before I ruffle anymore feathers on this thread, let me explain how this topic of SS#s affects me personally.
For the last ten years, each year without fail my wife has had her identity stolen including but not limited to: Bank account info, credit card info, DL#, SS#, and her immediate family's info which they used as references to obtain credit cards in her name. She has had to hire a company similar to LifeLock(TM) to protect her identity. This is only made possible by guberment and guberment issued numbers. I hate the fact that I have prove to some guberment functionary who I am. We are nothing to gubermant but a number.
To sum up;
!.Your number can and will be stolen and it does't matter who steals it.
2. You'll be left with the fallout and gubermet doesn't give a rats rear end about you're problems.
3. The SS# makes this theft possible.
4. You're a nobody without a number.

Opinions?

Since you asked... all of that is irrelevant to this thread.

For the OP, he cannot apply online without the SS number. He can print out forms and apply via mail without it.

[smokejensen]

Before I ruffle anymore feathers on this thread, let me explain how this topic of SS#s affects me personally.
For the last ten years, each year without fail my wife has had her identity stolen including but not limited to: Bank account info, credit card info, DL#, SS#, and her immediate family's info which they used as references to obtain credit cards in her name. She has had to hire a company similar to LifeLock(TM) to protect her identity. This is only made possible by guberment and guberment issued numbers. I hate the fact that I have prove to some guberment functionary who I am. We are nothing to gubermant but a number.
To sum up;
!.Your number can and will be stolen and it does't matter who steals it.
2. You'll be left with the fallout and gubermet doesn't give a rats rear end about you're problems.
3. The SS# makes this theft possible.
4. You're a nobody without a number.

Opinions?

Since you asked... all of that is irrelevant to this thread.

For the OP, he cannot apply online without the SS number. He can print out forms and apply via mail without it.

Thanks jbarn! My whole point of this little exercise was to point out that the OP didn't need our opinions, he needed solutions. As you and a couple of others have aptly pointed out "he cannot apply online without the SS number." But you offered a solution "He can print out forms and apply via mail without it."
Did my posts diverge from the topic? That depends on the OPs mindset. If he's not concerned about his SS# being exposed to theft then I will concede my tirade has been for naught. But we don't know what he was thinking so my posts might have been relevant to him.
I'll try (a little) not to post on this subject again...unless somebody asks me for my opinion.