Keith B wrote:Sounds like they were trying get a new crop of customers that would need their services due violating the 51% rule.
All in all, pretty dumb mistake by a legal group wanting to defend people on CHL related violations.
IIRC, their terms state that if you're caught somewhere you shouldn't be (30.06, 51%, school, etc.), you're on your own. They won't defend you for actually breaking the law. Of course, one might hope there would be an exception in this case had charges been brought against anyone.
I'd be interested to hear what they have to say regarding their choice of venue.
There is a joke someone in here, I just can't put my finger on it.
"Two attorneys walk into a bar (51% location) and invite 200 CHL holders to try to sell their expertise in CHL laws and defense. In the process every CHL'er they invited who entered the meeting armed committed a felony."
Ugh. If I didn't think [pre-paid legal] (and others) were clowns to begin with, this has definitely sealed the deal for me.
steveincowtown wrote:There is a joke someone in here, I just can't put my finger on it.
"Two attorneys walk into a bar (51% location) and invite 200 CHL holders to try to sell their expertise in CHL laws and defense. In the process every CHL'er they invited who entered the meeting armed committed a felony."
Ugh. If I didn't think [pre-paid legal] (and others) were clowns to begin with, this has definitely sealed the deal for me.
You make that decision without knowing if the bar area is the licensed area, or if the entire hall is. I imagine they knew what they were doing.
The bar area at restaurants and bowling alleys are posted 51% as well, but that doesn't make the whole facility off limits.
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Divided Attention wrote:The bar area at restaurants and bowling alleys are posted 51% as well, but that doesn't make the whole facility off limits.
If the bar is given a 51% license, it does unless the bar area is marked off on the license application. If the bar is owned by the primary business, then the restaurant or bowling alley is not likely to be 51%. If it is a contract location, then the bar is probably 51%. That is when the license for the premises comes into play.
This is the response I got from [Pre-paid legal service]:
Dear Mr. Howdy:
Thanks for attending the [pre-paid legal] Willis seminar I hope that you enjoyed it. I think everyone was surprised to see a 51% sign at the back of the hall. You are correct that at the point a person would have noticed the sign, that all CHL carriers should have returned to their cars to put away their concealed handguns. You are also correct in that the sign applied to the entire premises, not just the “bar” area. If an establishment is licensed to serve alcohol and they meet the 51% percent threshold, the prohibition covers the entire premises where a person may legally consume that alcohol. TABC licenses are issued to addresses. If the bar and the meeting room had separate addresses (even if they are in the same building) and the alcohol licensed only covered the bar address, then it would have been ok to carry in the meeting hall. However, this would have meant that it was not ok to take alcohol from the bar area into the meeting area. Since this would be impracticable, I am sure that the TABC license covered the whole building.
Thanks for your question
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steveincowtown wrote:There is a joke someone in here, I just can't put my finger on it.
"Two attorneys walk into a bar (51% location) and invite 200 CHL holders to try to sell their expertise in CHL laws and defense. In the process every CHL'er they invited who entered the meeting armed committed a felony."
Ugh. If I didn't think [pre-paid legal] (and others) were clowns to begin with, this has definitely sealed the deal for me.
You make that decision without knowing if the bar area is the licensed area, or if the entire hall is. I imagine they knew what they were doing.
Based on the [pre-paid legal] response, and the TABC online records, I am gonna have to stand by my statement that they ([pre-paid legal]) are not worth the price (and are clowns). Furthermore, not sure I would want to depend on a group of attorneys to defend my freedom that didnt have the time (1 minute) to research where they were having their meeting before inviting a bunch of CHLers to commit felonies.
howdy wrote:This is the response I got from [Pre-paid legal service]:
Dear Mr. Howdy:
Thanks for attending the [pre-paid legal] Willis seminar I hope that you enjoyed it. I think everyone was surprised to see a 51% sign at the back of the hall. You are correct that at the point a person would have noticed the sign, that all CHL carriers should have returned to their cars to put away their concealed handguns. You are also correct in that the sign applied to the entire premises, not just the “bar” area. If an establishment is licensed to serve alcohol and they meet the 51% percent threshold, the prohibition covers the entire premises where a person may legally consume that alcohol. TABC licenses are issued to addresses. If the bar and the meeting room had separate addresses (even if they are in the same building) and the alcohol licensed only covered the bar address, then it would have been ok to carry in the meeting hall. However, this would have meant that it was not ok to take alcohol from the bar area into the meeting area. Since this would be impracticable, I am sure that the TABC license covered the whole building.
Thanks for your question
Edwin Walker
Soooo... no apology for the mistake? I think I might have to write an e-mail of my own. We signed up with them and our next payment is coming due soon, but this just might be a good time to reevaluate our options.
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[quote="o b juan"Navy Vet Not exactly the same bUT cHECK OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO lESTER mADDOX bEFORE HE BECAME THE GOVERNER OF gEORGIA.. iNTERSTING STORY [/quote]
I read the Wiki page on him. Are you talking about how he stood up for the rights of property owners when he said that store owners should be able to serve only those people that they want to serve?
Reading the Wiki article on him, I would have to say that he sounds like someone I would have liked. Seemed to be very straightforward -- completely unlike most politicians today.
steveincowtown wrote:There is a joke someone in here, I just can't put my finger on it.
"Two attorneys walk into a bar (51% location) and invite 200 CHL holders to try to sell their expertise in CHL laws and defense. In the process every CHL'er they invited who entered the meeting armed committed a felony."
Ugh. If I didn't think [pre-paid legal] (and others) were clowns to begin with, this has definitely sealed the deal for me.
You make that decision without knowing if the bar area is the licensed area, or if the entire hall is. I imagine they knew what they were doing.
Based on the [pre-paid legal] response, and the TABC online records, I am gonna have to stand by my statement that they ([pre-paid legal]) are not worth the price (and are clowns). Furthermore, not sure I would want to depend on a group of attorneys to defend my freedom that didnt have the time (1 minute) to research where they were having their meeting before inviting a bunch of CHLers to commit felonies.
I would have to agree, they avoided admitting their ignorance in setting up the meeting there. If they cannot figure out how to rent a place where CHL holders an carry all the while telling CHL holders why their legal service and expertise on firearms related matters is a must have, then how will they do when representing you for something serious?
If they cannot figure out how to rent a place where CHL holders an carry all the while telling CHL holders why their legal service and expertise on firearms related matters is a must have, then how will they do when representing you for something serious?
This.....my confidence in them is a bit shaken by this....
Maybe someone that is an attorney can answer this question, but could anyone that carried there still possibly be charged with a felony after the fact?
I realize it would be near impossible to prove, but just because one leaves the property after violating the law doesn't undo the fact that a crime was committed...does it?
There would be no way to prove, after the fact, that all those people were carrying illegally. I was there, walked through the front entrance (northside of the building) and nothing was posted. I entered the hall, got my fajita dinner and went to the back to sit down. I was STUNNED to see the 51% sign at the back of the hall. I was not carrying that evening and it was just by pure accident as I came from school and we can't carry on property. Incredible!!!!!
