Pasadena gun show - AG complaint filed

[dhoobler]

Today I filed a complaint the the attorney general about the exclusion of CHL firearms from the gun show at the Pasadena convention center. I sent the AG office a copy of my original letter to the mayor and a photo of a sign excluding loaded firearms. Here is the text of my complaint to the AG:

There were two temporary signs displayed outside at the entrance to a gun show. The photo of one sign is uploaded. There was a uniformed Pasadena police officer at the door enforcing the prohibition of loaded concealed handguns.

The convention center displayed 30.06 signs in the past. I wrote a letter to Pasadena Mayor Johnny Isbel notifying him of the offense under SB 273. Apparently he took notice of my letter because there was no 30.06 sign present.

I contend that the sign that was present is prohibited under SB 273 because SB 273 is not limited to the 30.06 sign. SB 273 prohibits any sign that excludes holders of a CHL.

The gun show promoter with the explicit approval of the City of Pasadena is attempting to enforce a rule that is over and above that which is permitted by state law. I expect the the preemption law prohibits them from doing so.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Please upload the form on www.TexasFirearmsCoalition.com so I'll have the data to use in 2017 and perhaps earlier.

Chas.

[puma guy]

Today I filed a complaint the the attorney general about the exclusion of CHL firearms from the gun show at the Pasadena convention center. I sent the AG office a copy of my original letter to the mayor and a photo of a sign excluding loaded firearms. Here is the text of my complaint to the AG:

There were two temporary signs displayed outside at the entrance to a gun show. The photo of one sign is uploaded. There was a uniformed Pasadena police officer at the door enforcing the prohibition of loaded concealed handguns.

The convention center displayed 30.06 signs in the past. I wrote a letter to Pasadena Mayor Johnny Isbel notifying him of the offense under SB 273. Apparently he took notice of my letter because there was no 30.06 sign present.

I contend that the sign that was present is prohibited under SB 273 because SB 273 is not limited to the 30.06 sign. SB 273 prohibits any sign that excludes holders of a CHL.

The gun show promoter with the explicit approval of the City of Pasadena is attempting to enforce a rule that is over and above that which is permitted by state law. I expect the the preemption law prohibits them from doing so.

Thanks for the update. I forgot to welcome you to the forum in my reply to your first post, so I'll do it here. Welcome!

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[winters]

So who is going to do the work for the george r brown convention center postings during the gun show?

[dhoobler]

So who is going to do the work for the george r brown convention center postings during the gun show?

I have not been to a GRB gun show in years, but I hear that it is no longer posted. I stand to be corrected if it is posted.

[Vol Texan]

So who is going to do the work for the george r brown convention center postings during the gun show?

I have not been to a GRB gun show in years, but I hear that it is no longer posted. I stand to be corrected if it is posted.

It was not posted on my last visit.

[locke_n_load]

Today I filed a complaint the the attorney general about the exclusion of CHL firearms from the gun show at the Pasadena convention center. I sent the AG office a copy of my original letter to the mayor and a photo of a sign excluding loaded firearms. Here is the text of my complaint to the AG:

There were two temporary signs displayed outside at the entrance to a gun show. The photo of one sign is uploaded. There was a uniformed Pasadena police officer at the door enforcing the prohibition of loaded concealed handguns.

The convention center displayed 30.06 signs in the past. I wrote a letter to Pasadena Mayor Johnny Isbel notifying him of the offense under SB 273. Apparently he took notice of my letter because there was no 30.06 sign present.

I contend that the sign that was present is prohibited under SB 273 because SB 273 is not limited to the 30.06 sign. SB 273 prohibits any sign that excludes holders of a CHL.

The gun show promoter with the explicit approval of the City of Pasadena is attempting to enforce a rule that is over and above that which is permitted by state law. I expect the the preemption law prohibits them from doing so.

AG website also has a place for complaints relating to SB273:
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/
and
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/apps/3006/

[Taypo]

I'm curious. Are these gun shows required to carry insurance for the show?

If the unloaded weapons requirements are required by that insurance, is it possible that the new law is going to limit and/or eliminate shows?

I don't know as that's a bad thing given the amount of shows in Texas on a given weekend, but its a thought that I had...

[EEllis]

Why not just have anyone who wants to holster or sell a handgun have it tagged (ziptied) at the door. Concealed handguns carried for defensive purposes cannot be removed from cover at any time except for legal self defense purposes. Any CHL holder removing their carry piece is breaking the law. It could easily argued that unloaded zipped handguns are handled for "sporting" purposes and are exempt from concealed requirements while a loaded weapon is not. This doesn't seem that difficult to me.

For the most part this is how it's been done. Sure they had the 30.06 signs but I carrried past them knowing they were unenforceable. The City cops knew they were unenforceable and even a HCSO made a statement, saw it in an article but don't remember well enough to find it, that called it a house rule referring to the GRB convention center and 30.06. But it made people keep their concealed firearms concealed. I wounder about how OC will work with the gun shows.

[EEllis]

I'm curious. Are these gun shows required to carry insurance for the show?

If the unloaded weapons requirements are required by that insurance, is it possible that the new law is going to limit and/or eliminate shows?

I don't know as that's a bad thing given the amount of shows in Texas on a given weekend, but its a thought that I had...

All govt owned venues would require insurance for every event.

[twomillenium]

I would not be surprised to admission go up a couple of dollars for extra insurance. Insurance companies play all the angles IMHO.

I did go to Pasadena Show Sunday evening. I do remember the officers at the front asking "Do you have anything that needs to be checked?" instead of "Any firearms or ammo?" I noticed but thought nothing of it.

[kg5ie]

I filed an AG complaint about the Fort Worth Gun Show in September. Have not heard anything back. Fort Worth claimed the event organizer posted the sign.

[winters]

The last show at the GRB had police checking weapons though. I don't remember if it was posted but from my past experience they were.

[EEllis]

Might want to reference the shows promoter since they are the ones who would be putting up signs and hiring the security for the events.I have been told that high caliber no longer posts 30.06 at the GRB at least.

[kg5ie]

I filed an AG complaint about the Fort Worth Gun Show in September. Have not heard anything back. Fort Worth claimed the event organizer posted the sign.

Got a reply from AG liasion officer Captain Gregory Lewis telling me I need to follow the chain. That is complain to Will Rogers first. I got a response from the gun show organizer. Thought I would share.

"All gun shows in Texas that I am aware of are posted 30.06.



The issue is not that the gun is open or concealed carry but that it is loaded. Once the gun is unloaded, the method of carry is not an issue. All guns including concealed carry must be unloaded prior to entry into the show. Through the purchase of a ticket, you are entering a private event into a space under the control of a private entity. As a condition of entry to that private event, all guns must be unloaded. We have additional signage to that effect at our shows."