AT&T Center in San Antonio

[DONT TREAD ON ME]

I believe that I already know the answer to this but want to check with y'all anyway.

The AT&T Center in SA is owned by Bexar County. This means that their 30.06 sign is invalid. However, on their prohibited items list it obviously states guns. Since I am a CHLer and carrying under the authority of my CHL they cannot legally deny me carrying my gun in there so long as it is not to an event that is covered in TPC 46.035.

Am I correct in my understanding of this?

[AEA]

You are correct as far as I am concerned.
Unfortunately, you may take "the ride" if you are detected.
Then you will be the Test Case.

[DONT TREAD ON ME]

I am not sure it will help at all but I will be carrying a copy of the relevant laws with me.

Concealed means concealed. I just hate the idea of not carrying where I am legally able to because they don't know the law or refuse to follow it and improperly post 30.06 signs

[speedsix]

...on this , we are in complete agreement...if we're timid and afraid to live within the laws, then the bad guys win...do what is legal, and if someone chooses to charge you, they can face the consequences of arresting someone who has broken no laws...we are not above the law...NEITHER ARE THEY...

[DONT TREAD ON ME]

...on this , we are in complete agreement...if we're timid and afraid to live within the laws, then the bad guys win...do what is legal, and if someone chooses to charge you, they can face the consequences of arresting someone who has broken no laws...we are not above the law...NEITHER ARE THEY...

If we allow them to bully us by making us afraid then they win. The laws are there for a reason and if you are not breaking one then there is no reason you should be arrested/charged just because they choose to not follow the law.

[speedsix]

..."test case" warnings nauseate me...yeah, I might end up being arrested for following the law completely...that'll be my battle when it happens...one well worth fighting...there ARE things still well worth fighting for...instead of grumbling about from behind the curtains...we might take the same attitude about the speed limits...and end up driving only 55 in a 60...or 45...or 30...or not driving at all...where does it stop??? AT THE BEGINNING!!! The laws which are passed by our legislatures are to insure our safety from a lawless society, and from an arbitrary government with no controls...legislative, executive, judicial...done right...guarantees our freedom...just as designed...written law can find us at fault...or exonerate us against trumped-up charges...

[The Annoyed Man]

I believe that I already know the answer to this but want to check with y'all anyway.

The AT&T Center in SA is owned by Bexar County. This means that their 30.06 sign is invalid. However, on their prohibited items list it obviously states guns. Since I am a CHLer and carrying under the authority of my CHL they cannot legally deny me carrying my gun in there so long as it is not to an event that is covered in TPC 46.035.

Am I correct in my understanding of this?

Do or don't carry as you see fit. That's not what I'm going to post about here.....

It seems to me that this is the same sort of situation as with the Fort Worth gun show, and other gun shows which are held in county or municipality owned facilities. The events are posted by the event promoter, not by the government body owning the facility. The debate seems to be over whether a promoter may lawfully post a 30.06 sign at an event which puts that facility under the promoter's control for a time; or whether the fact that the building is owned by the government supersedes the promoter's temporary control.

So, who posted the sign at the AT&T Center? The event promoter, or the county? In the example of the Ft Worth gun show, the promoter posts the sign, but it is enforced by on-scene on-duty Ft Worth police officers, which considerably muddies the waters.

I have no answers. Obey your conscience.

[DONT TREAD ON ME]

I believe that I already know the answer to this but want to check with y'all anyway.

The AT&T Center in SA is owned by Bexar County. This means that their 30.06 sign is invalid. However, on their prohibited items list it obviously states guns. Since I am a CHLer and carrying under the authority of my CHL they cannot legally deny me carrying my gun in there so long as it is not to an event that is covered in TPC 46.035.

Am I correct in my understanding of this?

Do or don't carry as you see fit. That's not what I'm going to post about here.....

It seems to me that this is the same sort of situation as with the Fort Worth gun show, and other gun shows which are held in county or municipality owned facilities. The events are posted by the event promoter, not by the government body owning the facility. The debate seems to be over whether a promoter may lawfully post a 30.06 sign at an event which puts that facility under the promoter's control for a time; or whether the fact that the building is owned by the government supersedes the promoter's temporary control.

So, who posted the sign at the AT&T Center? The event promoter, or the county? In the example of the Ft Worth gun show, the promoter posts the sign, but it is enforced by on-scene on-duty Ft Worth police officers, which considerably muddies the waters.

I have no answers. Obey your conscience.

At the AT&T center the 30.06 posting isn't really a sign. The verbiage is permanently on the glass at the entrances. So, they cannot take it down or put it up as they see fit. At least not easily and cost effectively.

I assume that since Bexar County built it and owns it that Bexar County put the wording up. I just do not see them allowing a promoter to permanently put words on their glass for a temporary event.

If that is the case, I am almost 100% certain that it is, then theoretically there should be no argument about the promoter being able to post a sign.

As for the Ft. Worth Gun Show and like events I am not sure how that argument could hold up. Admittedly I am not a lawyer but the Penal Code states...

(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.

I read the portion in red as saying that if the property is owned or leased by a governmental agency then 30.06 does not apply regardless who posts it. The key part to me is the "or leases". it is clear to me that if the property is owned or leased by a governmental entity it cannot be posted 30.06, period. But again I am not a lawyer and this is just my simple mind's understanding.

[speedsix]

...seems to me you think like a good judge, rather than a lawyer...gather the facts, compare them to the law...you have your answer...I like it!!!

[DONT TREAD ON ME]

...seems to me you think like a good judge, rather than a lawyer...gather the facts, compare them to the law...you have your answer...I like it!!!

problem is that I am neither and in reality it doesn't matter how I interpret it but how the actual lawyers and judges do

[speedsix]

...both of which could use the services of a good English teacher in deciding what the written law says, from time to time...