17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

[sjfcontrol]

That's not the first time that NBC fabricated a "crime" where there was none. Remember the NBC dateline "to catch a predator" series with Chris Hansen? Those "child molesters" were monsters to be sure, BUT they have committed no crime. The "child" they had a "date" with was actually an adult actress. So, where's the crime?

Not to mention the NBC Dateline Ford Pinto fiasco -- though apparently they weren't the only ones...

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An "electronic Titanic"--as Howard Rosenberg of the Los Angeles Times called it---"an unprecedented disaster in the annals of network news, and perhaps the biggest TV scam since the Quiz Scandals." To many, NBC's Dateline fiasco seemed a freak, a bizarre departure from accepted network standards. Would any half-awake news organization have helped stage a crash test that was rigged to get a particular outcome? Or concealed from the public key elements--the hidden rockets, the over-filled tank, the loose gas cap? Or entrusted its judgment to axe-grinding "experts" who were deeply involved in litigating against the expose's target? Or, after questions came up, refused to apologize no matter how strong the evidence grew?

[Oldgringo]

NBC should've known better (for that matter everyone who's given more than a quarter second's thought to becoming a journalist should know better).

Journalists don't run NBC. Besides, ratings are more important that ethics.

It is all about money. People love to read/see other peoples' bad news. Bad news generates ratinings which generate money. Kinda' sick, ain't it?

We happily went without TV for five months last summer and we're fixin' to do it again, starting in about three weeks.

[sjfcontrol]

NBC should've known better (for that matter everyone who's given more than a quarter second's thought to becoming a journalist should know better).

Journalists don't run NBC. Besides, ratings are more important that ethics.

It is all about money. People love to read/see other peoples' bad news. Bad news generates ratinings which generate money. Kinda' sick, ain't it?

We happily went without TV for five months last summer and we're fixin' to do it again, starting in about three weeks.

Can't miss those season finales, huh?

[philip964]

Pinto's did catch fire when rear ended.

But,

Has anyone been able to confirm, did Trayvon actually live (or was staying with someone) inside the gated community. Or was he taking a short cut through the gated community when he was shot.

[Keith B]

Pinto's did catch fire when rear ended.

But,

Has anyone been able to confirm, did Trayvon actually live (or was staying with someone) inside the gated community. Or was he taking a short cut through the gated community when he was shot.

He and his father were staying at the father's girl-friend's house. She lives in the gated community.

[philip964]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... -zimmerman" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hmmm, ABC enhanced the video and it shows injury to Zimmerman. Is the mainstream media changing their toon?

[Keith B]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... -zimmerman

Hmmm, ABC enhanced the video and it shows injury to Zimmerman. Is the mainstream media changing their toon?

I think you meant 'tune', but in this case, when talking about the media, 'toon' may be more accurate.

[Jusster]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... -certainty" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Experts say it was Martin screaming for help....Not Zimmerman....

"I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen says.

The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.

"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.

Jusster

[The Annoyed Man]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... -certainty

Experts say it was Martin screaming for help....Not Zimmerman....

"I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen says.

The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.

"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.

Jusster

No. That's not what the numbers actually say. That jack wagon calls it a "reasonable scientific certainty" that it is not Zimmerman, but his own numbers say that it is that it 48% a match to Zimmerman. That's close enough (±2%) to 50/50 for me, which isn't even remotely close to "reasonable scientific certainty" either way. And since he has no recording of Martin against which to test the screaming, he can't say that it is Martin...........but we know there is a nearly 50% match to Zimmerman. Please! (TAM dispenses with another liberal scientist twisting facts to mean what he wants them to mean.) Where did you say you got your education in statistics?

[recaffeination]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... -zimmerman

Hmmm, ABC enhanced the video and it shows injury to Zimmerman. Is the mainstream media changing their toon?

I think you meant 'tune', but in this case, when talking about the media, 'toon' may be more accurate.

Their reporting isn't bad. It's just drawn that way.

[sjfcontrol]

Pinto's did catch fire when rear ended.

That's true...

However, it appears my memory has failed me. The NBC "exploding gas tank" was on older GM trucks with "sidesaddle" tanks, not Pintos. They used model rocket engines to ignite any spilled gas.

From here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dateline_N ... ors_v._NBC" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

General Motors v. NBC
Dateline NBC aired an investigative report on Tuesday, November 17, 1992, titled “Waiting to Explode”. The 60 minute program was about General Motors pickup trucks allegedly exploding upon impact during accidents due to the poor design of fuel tanks. Dateline's film showed a sample of a low speed accident with the fuel tank exploding. In reality, Dateline NBC producers had rigged the truck’s fuel tank with remotely controlled model rocket engines to initiate the explosion. The program did not disclose the fact that the accident was staged. GM investigators studied the film, and discovered that smoke actually came out of the fuel tank six frames before impact. GM subsequently filed an anti-defamation/libel lawsuit against NBC after conducting an extensive investigation. On Monday, February 8, 1993, GM conducted a highly publicized point-by-point rebuttal in the Product Exhibit Hall of the General Motors Building in Detroit that lasted nearly two hours after announcing the lawsuit.[6] The lawsuit was settled the same week by NBC, and Jane Pauley read a 3 minute 30 second on-air apology to viewers.
The lawsuit and subsequent settlement was arguably the most devastating blow for NBC in a series of reputation damaging incidents during the 1990s and early 2000s. Within NBC, Michael Gartner, who resigned shortly after the incident, was the source for much of the blame. Then-NBC News President Reuven Frank stated Gartner was hired in 1988, despite no TV news background, in an attempt to satisfy parent-company General Electric by replacing current journalists with cheaper, less experienced reporters and producers.[7]
The following Dateline NBC producers were dismissed: Jeff Diamond, executive producer; David Rummel, senior producer; and Robert Read, producer of the report on the pickups. Michele Gillen, the reporter involved in the segment, was transferred to Miami station WTVJ. Michael G. Gartner, president of the news division, resigned under pressure.

[texanron]

DELETED....someone beat me to it.

[Jusster]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... -certainty

Experts say it was Martin screaming for help....Not Zimmerman....

"I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen says.

The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.

"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.

Jusster

No. That's not what the numbers actually say. That jack wagon calls it a "reasonable scientific certainty" that it is not Zimmerman, but his own numbers say that it is that it 48% a match to Zimmerman. That's close enough (±2%) to 50/50 for me, which isn't even remotely close to "reasonable scientific certainty" either way. And since he has no recording of Martin against which to test the screaming, he can't say that it is Martin...........but we know there is a nearly 50% match to Zimmerman. Please! (TAM dispenses with another liberal scientist twisting facts to mean what he wants them to mean.) Where did you say you got your education in statistics?

That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. Based on the article, the Orlando Sentinel sought this guy out for his expert opinion. Maybe it’s like fingerprints or DNA…people may share similar markers but for it to be a positive match 48% falls way short. But I don’t know, you sound like you know a lot more about this technology then I do so maybe you are right.

Edit: I decided to look the guy up….he looks pretty credible to me.

http://www.owlinvestigations.com/about.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jusster

[recaffeination]

So it's a 48% match to one guy and a zero % match for the other guy because the family won't provide a voice sample.

[RottenApple]

That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. Based on the article, the Orlando Sentinel sought this guy out for his expert opinion. Maybe it’s like fingerprints or DNA…people may share similar markers but for it to be a positive match 48% falls way short. But I don’t know, you sound like you know a lot more about this technology then I do so maybe you are right.

Edit: I decided to look the guy up….he looks pretty credible to me.

http://www.owlinvestigations.com/about.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jusster

Actually it's the so-called expert's opinion that is in question. As was pointed out already, there is a 48% probability that it is ZImmerman's voice. It is also a sure bet that having your nose broken (thus causing blood to run down your face and into your mouth) and having your head smashed into the ground will likely cause your voice to change pitch, tone, and inflection. That will naturally lower the voice identification probabilities. And, since Martin's voice was not analyzed, there is a 0% probability of it being his (until and unless it is tested).

Oh, and Martin being dead is no reason not to test against known recordings of his voice. I'm fairly certain Zimmerman didn't provide a voice sample for testing so they probably used a recording. Why couldn't they do that with Martin? Surely there are some somewhere.