A Comment About Our Educational System

[WildBill]

[mamabearCali]

As an educator (teacher and now a homeschooling mom) I find our current situation infuriating. However I will say much has changed in the past 100 years. Moms now work outside the home, we have about 1/2 of children born into single parent households. Morality is now offensive and deemed hate speech very often. If a student misbehaved in 1930 in class they got their tale toasted. Now we have the justice department telling schools not to dicipline individuals for their crimes because of their melanin count in their skin. There is much going on that hampers even the best educators. That does not even cover the testing baloney that is going on. The children spend way too much time learning to take tests than learning the information placed at their hands. Recess is a thing of the past. Kindergarten is the new 2nd grade.

All of which are excellent reasons to personally opt out of the system if at all possible...homeschool or private school.

[carlson1]

Excellent WildBill.

[cb1000rider]

There is some truth in that little photo.
I've heard several undergraduate professors complain about the marginal literacy of their "college" students - these were at smaller state universities.
I assume the "varied" results in public schools are part of what all this "standardized testing" is about.. The whole thing has been blown massively out of proportion. To the point where teachers are simply doing test prep and are graded as educators on their ability to get kids through those tests.

Very little variation allowed for gifted kids - so you slow them down. Very little variation allowed for kids that are below average so you can't help them without hurting the class. Lets teach all the kids the same stuff, the same way... And call it good. I call the marginalized.


mamabearCali,
Religion based morality has been diluted, you're right... But hate speech certainly existed in public schools back when things weren't so politically neutral.
It's a tough problem to solve if we've got a truly public school for all kids regardless of background. Your morality is not your neighbors. Your religion is not your neighbors and they may have very different beliefs, but both kids have a right to a public education. To me - the answer there is to allow parents to take that public funding and apply it to the school that meets the needs of their household. Why that's such a huge issue, I don't quite understand.

[WildBill]

There is some truth in that little photo.
I've heard several undergraduate professors complain about the marginal literacy of their "college" students - these were at smaller state universities.

Strict non-secular morality has been diluted, you're right... But hate speech certainly existed in public schools back when things weren't so politically neutral.
It's a tough problem to solve if we've got a truly public school for all kids regardless of background. Your morality is not your neighbors. Your religion is not your neighbors and they may have very different beliefs, but both kids have a right to a public education.

Which professors have you heard? and at which smaller state universities?
This "photo" says nothing about hate speech.
This "photo" says nothing about morality of religion.

[Oldgringo]

I tried to copy this picture and paste it on my Facebook page to no avail. My Facebook page, which is regaled by a half dozen or so, will go without this bit of academic woe. Oh, the humanity....

[Oldgringo]

Excellent WildBill.

[cb1000rider]

Which professors have you heard? and at which smaller state universities?

PM me. I'll tell you privately. Some of the smaller state universities have or had less stringent entrance requirements... And clearly public education used to vary a lot more in terms of skills assessments.

This "photo" says nothing about hate speech.
This "photo" says nothing about morality of religion.

I agree with the photo completely. I was responding to comments of mamabearCali, who was and is a teacher. She's right - religion has been largely neutralized in public school.

[mojo84]

Which professors have you heard? and at which smaller state universities?

PM me. I'll tell you privately. Some of the smaller state universities have or had less stringent entrance requirements... And clearly public education used to vary a lot more in terms of skills assessments.

This "photo" says nothing about hate speech.
This "photo" says nothing about morality of religion.

I agree with the photo completely. I was responding to comments of mamabearCali, who was and is a teacher. She's right - religion has been largely neutralized in public school.

She didn'tsay anything about religion either. Morality is not religion.

[talltex]

This "photo" says nothing about hate speech.
This "photo" says nothing about morality of religion.

She didn'tsay anything about religion either. Morality is not religion.

I agree with the pic that Wild Bill posted...I have seen kids that graduated from high school with my son that were NHS members, top 10%, scholarship recipients, etc... that constantly misspell even common everyday words when they post anything online. I've also seen many of the younger teachers do the same thing. I think some of that has to do with the advent of spell checking programs which have made "spelling" seem unecessary to a large segment of our society. They also commonly use the wrong word for the intended meaning...they "no" a fact rather than "know" it for example. We removed our son from the public school system after the third week of the third grade and home schooled him until his sophmore year, when my wife enrolled in Seminary to get an MDiv. degree. Our son was far ahead of the kids he had started school with in Kindergarten and just coasted through the next 3 years to graduate with honors. That said, I believe cb1000's point about morality is well taken also. One person's morality can be another's close mindedness...there is no one morality that fits all, but many individual's views on certain "moral issues" are determined by their religous backgrounds and denominations. I have served as Elder and most every other office in our church, but I do not agree at all with many of the "official positions" of the denomination, which I view as hypocritical and predjudiced, and I stay there to work and try to facilitate changes.

[mamabearCali]

mamabearCali,
Religion based morality has been diluted, you're right... But hate speech certainly existed in public schools back when things weren't so politically neutral.
It's a tough problem to solve if we've got a truly public school for all kids regardless of background. Your morality is not your neighbors. Your religion is not your neighbors and they may have very different beliefs, but both kids have a right to a public education. To me - the answer there is to allow parents to take that public funding and apply it to the school that meets the needs of their household. Why that's such a huge issue, I don't quite understand.

I said nothing about religion. I said morality. The ability to know right from wrong. An ability that seems to be gone.

When kids are perfectly fine taking a picture of a person they want to tease and morphing it into a sexualized position and then sending it all around to their friends......I don't think we need religion to tell us that is grotesque and immoral.

When twerking and darn near having sex at a school dance is the NORM! We don't need religion to tell us that is absolutely inappropriate.

When kids bring hard core porn (terrifying disgusting rape scenes) to school on their phones and then force those who do not wish to watch it when they do not have a choice.......religion is not needful to tell us that is wrong.

Kids don't just call you a booger or a roach anymore and tease you in gym class. They attempt to destroy the other persons life. They stalk each other online, they harass others in far more of a sexual manner than just snapping a bra.

All of this stuff happened to a friend of mine's son when he was in MIDDLE SCHOOL! In a good decent middle class neighborhood. The school said they could not prove anything and they could do nothing about it. They had to change neighborhoods to get away from the insanity.

If another person's morality does not see all of the above as wrong their moral compass, no matter their religion, is severely disabled.


edited to add....How can even the best teachers teach when all that is going on?

[VMI77]

It's not incompetence, it's not lack of funding, it's not mysterious, it's not accidental: it's deliberate enstupidation by design, benefiting converging interests, primarily the political class and the teacher's unions. Albert Jay Nock was writing about the public school system and how it was being used to create ignorant, malleable, obedient, and easily manipulated serfs back in 1920. Or see the work of John Taylor Gatto. Implosion by design: the objective of progressive-ism.

[cb1000rider]

I said nothing about religion. I said morality. The ability to know right from wrong. An ability that seems to be gone.

Sorry, I took that wrong. I assumed you were intermingling religion and morality, my bad.
Certainly there is some common morality that we all can agree with. You're talking about basic things - like don't steal, don't cheat? That stuff is gone in schools?

I just read your examples. Scary.

[GlockDude26]

It's not incompetence, it's not lack of funding, it's not mysterious, it's not accidental: it's deliberate enstupidation by design, benefiting converging interests, primarily the political class and the teacher's unions. Albert Jay Nock was writing about the public school system and how it was being used to create ignorant, malleable, obedient, and easily manipulated serfs back in 1920. Or see the work of John Taylor Gatto. Implosion by design: the objective of progressive-ism.

finally someone else sees the big picture.... think about the days from when we were in school and compare that to now.... it is completely 180 degrees and it is on purpose.... the same reason for flouride and other harmful chemicals that are dumped into the water supply knowingly and have been directly linked to drop in IQ and cancer... the same reason that most of this country is becoming a police state, to where playing with toy guns on YOUR OWN property can get you expelled from school. and the mere sight of a gun horrifies a large number of the population. we see it in movies like the hunger games and dark knight rises, and robocop. it's called conditioning! think of how many freedoms that we the sheeple used to have 20-30 years ago and compare it to now.....ponder on why we have a prez and other members in the white house who have been proven to have committed alomst a dozen directly impeachable offenses and why every one of them isn't in jail, much less still in office??? call me weird or a conspiracy nut or whatever you'd like but when it hits the fan you'll call me right....

[Cedar Park Dad]

All I know is, that in the evilz publik skool my kids are/went to, they've learned far more than I did. As my boy took so many AP/placeouts and ACC course during summer he was able to skip a full year at Aggieville, and that colleges have already started calling about my daughter who's only a freshman in high school, they must be doing something right.