Dave2 wrote:AndyC wrote:fickman wrote:Keep a healthy fear and never grow complacent. If you're sure you just checked it, you might as well check it again. Then one more time.
If somebody else checked it, it hasn't been checked.
If you ever see me check a firearm, you'll see me rack it 2 or 3 times AND peer into the chamber - a broken extractor helped cause an ND for a buddy of mine overseas who just racked it without visually checking. Thanks to the busted extractor, the shell that was in the chamber wasn't extracted/ejected, so... BOOM.
On every centerfire pistol I own, when the slide's back you can also manage to sight through the gaps between the slide and frame and through barrel to see if there are any obstructions.
I don't think that trick works on my .22, though. Come to think of it, I think it relies on the barrel camming down to get the angle right, so it probably wouldn't work on
any straight blow-back designs, regardless of caliber or cartridge type.
What we need is for someone to invent a transparent stainless steel (or something else tough enough for barrel use), so that we can just look and see if it's loaded without manipulating anything at all (and without having any "LCI" mechanisms to fail).
I am not arguing against press-checking or tactile confirmation, but your last sentence elicits a reply......
My M&P45 and Springfield 1911 both a hole at the top rear edge of the barrel hood, which makes the cartridge case visible without pulling back the slide. Granted, you need enough light to see by, but if you can't see, should you be shooting? Pic of M&P and 1911 below:
(Yes, that is my brand new SCAR in the background
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The thing is though....and I can provide pics if someone wants to see them...the Kahr and Glock pistols with a tactile loaded chamber indicator would, by definition, be inoperable if the LCI had failed, because the indicator is integral with the extractor. If there is cartridge chambered, the extractor position would dictate that the indicator would be standing proud of the slide......even if the extractor claw was broken.....as long as the slide is all the way into battery. The extractor would have to actually be missing or destroyed for the indicator to not be usable, and if that is the case, you've got bigger issues.
And both the XDm and XDs have an LCI built into the slide top which is VERY effective, in no small part because A) it can't fail to stand proud if the round is chambered, and B) because it juts up quite tall, making it easy to feel, even in the dark and with gloves on. The only way that indicator is not working is if it has been blown clean out of the slide somehow. And if that happened, there would be an obvious rectangular hole in the top rear of the barrel hood, through which you could easily visualize the cartridge rim.....possibly a large enough hole to be dangerous.
I'm not saying that a visual isn't a good idea, but I am saying that, for the most part, LCI's are not a bad idea, and they are a good adjunct to safety.
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