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Beiruty wrote:General Relativity and the concept of time, that can shrink, elongate and stop is all relative. Einstein selected the speed of light as a constant. However, speed is a measurement of movement of an object relative to fixed frame of coordinates(space) per unit of time. However, space also is not fixed and can be wrapped. So, how come speed of light is fixed and not the unit of time??!!!

In addition, Einstein says light cannot escape a blackhole, so what it means light velocity is 0 and not the C, or time is always is 0 or both are 0.
I believe you are talking about Special Relativity.
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Lynyrd wrote:Space/time? I once had a deep philosophical discussion about the concept of time. In it's best form, a definition cannot use words that derive their meaning from the word being defined. So, how do you define time. Seconds, minutes, hours, days, years are all units of time. But to give a good definition, you cannot use terms that derive their meaning from the concept of "time." So how does one define time? During that philosophical discussion, we pondered as we imbibed. Ponder as well my friends. We came up with a definition. Can you? This pertains to Einstein's theory directly, or space and time would not have a correlation.
I would define time as the duration between events. But then how do you define duration without referring to time? :headscratch
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WildBill wrote:
Beiruty wrote:Special Relativity and the concept of time, that can shrink, elongate and stop is all relative. Einstein selected the speed of light as a constant. However, speed is a measurement of movement of an object relative to fixed frame of coordinates(space) per unit of time. However, space also is not fixed and can be wrapped. So, how come speed of light is fixed and not the unit of time??!!!

In addition, Einstein says light cannot escape a blackhole, so what it means light velocity is 0 and not the C, or time is always is 0 or both are 0.
I believe you are talking about Special Relativity.

I would define time as the duration between events. But then how do you define duration without referring to time?
Time, is simply d/v :biggrinjester:
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WildBill wrote: I would define time as the duration between events. But then how do you define duration without referring to time? :headscratch
And that is exactly the problem with DEFINING time.
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Beiruty wrote:
WildBill wrote:
Beiruty wrote:Special Relativity and the concept of time, that can shrink, elongate and stop is all relative. Einstein selected the speed of light as a constant. However, speed is a measurement of movement of an object relative to fixed frame of coordinates(space) per unit of time. However, space also is not fixed and can be wrapped. So, how come speed of light is fixed and not the unit of time??!!!

In addition, Einstein says light cannot escape a blackhole, so what it means light velocity is 0 and not the C, or time is always is 0 or both are 0.
I believe you are talking about Special Relativity.

I would define time as the duration between events. But then how do you define duration without referring to time?
Time, is simply d/v :biggrinjester:
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Lynyrd wrote:
WildBill wrote: I would define time as the duration between events. But then how do you define duration without referring to time? :headscratch
And that is exactly the problem with DEFINING time.
I need to imbibe some liquid refreshment. :cheers2:
This whole thread is taking up too much of my time. :leaving
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WildBill wrote:
Lynyrd wrote:Space/time? I once had a deep philosophical discussion about the concept of time. In it's best form, a definition cannot use words that derive their meaning from the word being defined. So, how do you define time. Seconds, minutes, hours, days, years are all units of time. But to give a good definition, you cannot use terms that derive their meaning from the concept of "time." So how does one define time? During that philosophical discussion, we pondered as we imbibed. Ponder as well my friends. We came up with a definition. Can you? This pertains to Einstein's theory directly, or space and time would not have a correlation.
I would define time as the duration between events. But then how do you define duration without referring to time? :headscratch
Proper time or coordinate time? Observers?
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WildBill wrote:
Lynyrd wrote:
WildBill wrote: I would define time as the duration between events. But then how do you define duration without referring to time? :headscratch
And that is exactly the problem with DEFINING time.
I need to imbibe some liquid refreshment. :cheers2:
This whole thread is taking up too much of my time. :leaving
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Dadtodabone wrote:
WildBill wrote:
Lynyrd wrote:Space/time? I once had a deep philosophical discussion about the concept of time. In it's best form, a definition cannot use words that derive their meaning from the word being defined. So, how do you define time. Seconds, minutes, hours, days, years are all units of time. But to give a good definition, you cannot use terms that derive their meaning from the concept of "time." So how does one define time? During that philosophical discussion, we pondered as we imbibed. Ponder as well my friends. We came up with a definition. Can you? This pertains to Einstein's theory directly, or space and time would not have a correlation.
I would define time as the duration between events. But then how do you define duration without referring to time? :headscratch
Proper time or coordinate time? Observers?
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Lynyrd wrote:
WildBill wrote:
Lynyrd wrote:
WildBill wrote: I would define time as the duration between events. But then how do you define duration without referring to time? :headscratch
And that is exactly the problem with DEFINING time.
I need to imbibe some liquid refreshment. :cheers2:
This whole thread is taking up too much of my time. :leaving
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Beiruty wrote:Special Relativity and the concept of time, that can shrink, elongate and stop is all relative. Einstein selected the speed of light as a constant. However, speed is a measurement of movement of an object relative to fixed frame of coordinates(space) per unit of time. However, space also is not fixed and can be wrapped. So, how come speed of light is fixed and not the unit of time??!!!

In addition, Einstein says light cannot escape a blackhole, so what it means light velocity is 0 and not the C, or time is always is 0 or both are 0.
I was once asked if a car was traveling at the speed of light and turned on it's headlights would any light escape? I answered with a question. Is the car in forward or reverse? The guy moved on to the next question? :lol:
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puma guy wrote:
Beiruty wrote:Special Relativity and the concept of time, that can shrink, elongate and stop is all relative. Einstein selected the speed of light as a constant. However, speed is a measurement of movement of an object relative to fixed frame of coordinates(space) per unit of time. However, space also is not fixed and can be wrapped. So, how come speed of light is fixed and not the unit of time??!!!

In addition, Einstein says light cannot escape a blackhole, so what it means light velocity is 0 and not the C, or time is always is 0 or both are 0.
I was once asked if a car was traveling at the speed of light and turned on it's headlights would any light escape? I answered with a question. Is the car in forward or reverse? The guy moved on to the next question? :lol:
As for black holes I don't know if anything can escape. I do know that Borger, Texas is the closest I've ever been to a black hole. I spent a week there one night.
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puma guy wrote:
puma guy wrote:
Beiruty wrote:Special Relativity and the concept of time, that can shrink, elongate and stop is all relative. Einstein selected the speed of light as a constant. However, speed is a measurement of movement of an object relative to fixed frame of coordinates(space) per unit of time. However, space also is not fixed and can be wrapped. So, how come speed of light is fixed and not the unit of time??!!!

In addition, Einstein says light cannot escape a blackhole, so what it means light velocity is 0 and not the C, or time is always is 0 or both are 0.
I was once asked if a car was traveling at the speed of light and turned on it's headlights would any light escape? I answered with a question. Is the car in forward or reverse? The guy moved on to the next question? :lol:
As for black holes I don't know if anything can escape. I do know that Borger, Texas is the closest I've ever been to a black hole. I spent a week there one night.
Once, I was stuck in Lodi, again. Does that count?
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