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Re: O'Reilly Factor

Postby twjones » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:03 am

ScottDLS wrote:CRTV....anyone? I'm thinking of signing up because my 100% favorite commentator is Mark Levin.


Totally worth it... I've been signed up since December when Crowder did his water boarding show.

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Re: O'Reilly Factor

Postby parabelum » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:03 am

Never was a fan of O'Dopey, and frankly I could care less for FOX or any of them. Same pile of rotten garbage to me.

Having said that, I think O'Dopey ought to have his day in the court. Whatever happened to due process and innocent until proven guilty? Where are all the Chris "the thrill up his pants" Matthews scandals? Nothing to see there? Sure.

Side note, Quaker Oats is my favorite choice of oatmeal. That's more interesting to me then O'Dopey.
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Re: O'Reilly Factor

Postby John Galt » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:06 am

C-dub wrote:I won't miss him either, but my wife is convinced Soros is behind it all and she's pretty upset about that.


I would not be surprised.

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Postby Pariah3j » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:18 am

One of the commentators I listen too had an interesting perspective on the matter - O'reilly had several of these suits/cases/allegations brought up previously, advertisers come and go - so why did Fox suddenly decide to drop him like a lead balloon ? Paying off the women were the cost of doing business, and they had been more then willing to pay the money to make it go away previously, so what changed ? Innocent until proven guilty, but you gotta wonder what the company knows that suddenly made them do a 180.
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Re: O'Reilly Factor

Postby parabelum » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:24 am

Pariah3j wrote:One of the commentators I listen too had an interesting perspective on the matter - O'reilly had several of these suits/cases/allegations brought up previously, advertisers come and go - so why did Fox suddenly decide to drop him like a lead balloon ? Paying off the women were the cost of doing business, and they had been more then willing to pay the money to make it go away previously, so what changed ? Innocent until proven guilty, but you gotta wonder what the company knows that suddenly made them do a 180.


Might have something to do with leftist Murdoch boys... :totap:
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Re: O'Reilly Factor

Postby n5wmk » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:24 am

Mxrdad wrote:Please know I am just asking and not trying to be combative. Is there a way to watch these stations without raising their viewership ratings? I wouldnt mind changing the channel from Fox News if I knew it didn't support those that bash our President. I could be way off base here, but again, just curious.


Yes, unless you are a Nielsen home - the homes with the devices that report back to Nielsen - then what you watch doesn't make any difference to the overall stations' ratings.

What follows is like asking someone what time it is, and getting a description of how a clock is made. :lol:
I'm a TV broadcast engineer, and know how the Nielsen system works. There is a non-audible (to humans) watermark (fingerprint, so to speak) that's encoded into the audio stream of the station's signal just before it travels to the transmitter, or to the cable/satellite providers if the station feeds them direct. That watermark is then decoded by the device that's installed in the Nielsen home, and then the viewing data is compiled by Nielsen. The Nielsen homes are selected to give a representative sample (supposedly) of the demographic area of the TV market. The amount of Nielsen metered homes is way less than 1% of the total households within a market. So watch what you want, it won't make a bit of difference in the station's ratings.

One variation to the above, is that some DVRs (TiVo, cable/satellite boxes) have the ability to report back what's being recorded/viewed. But that data isn't used for ratings yet, it's mostly for the cable/satellite providers to use to sell local commercial insertions. It's not (yet) used for the prime ratings (Nielsen) that determine the stations' rankings within a given market.
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Re: O'Reilly Factor

Postby apvonkanel » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:42 am

Abraham wrote:chasfm11,

Would you elaborate on the various things like bots, etc. as I'm woefully under informed as to how they work...

That being said, I don't understand your post because of my ignorance of such stuff as DDOS attacks, huh..?

Thanks!


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While I haven't heard about any bots (automated accounts used to skew count, spam, or harass) or DDoS attacks, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I honestly haven't paying too much attention.
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Re: O'Reilly Factor

Postby treadlightly » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:51 am

TVGuy wrote:Know that while we may be the same company, local stations don't try and slant the story with a political agenda that the national news divisions do. We care about local issues, which rarely include national political topics of that nature. Station management in DFW for example is nearly all Republican. Many of the reporters and anchors, in any TV market, are from out of town. Part of moving up in that position is moving around the country. I know some that have been working 10 years and have lived in nearly that many different places. Many times that means they are from the coasts, which means they tend to see the world through a different lens that many of us on this board.


No offense intended, but news isn't what it used to be. The stations around here (Central Texas) won't touch a story with regional or statewide implications unless they get it from the Texas Tribune.

It's particularly frustrating when news doesn't serve watch keeping over the government.

I have a favorite dead horse I like to beat about election law. I've never been able to get a news station to look at the story - here's how to confirm the law is being broken, here's how to find a national candidate who lost 1/3 of his votes because of the this problem - and nothing.

Lately I've been trying to break a health care scam. My wife got a bunch of equipment from a DME (Durable Medical Equipment) provider, driven to them as our insurance company's in-network provider. The prices were ridiculous. There are many twists and turns to the pricing, but here's a couple of examples - $2200 billed for a $250 wheelchair, $770 allowed by the insurance company. $160 billed and allowed by the insurance company for a $25 wheelchair seat cushion.

It's not just private insurers, it's government programs getting scammed, too. An investigator the Texas Health and Human Service's Ombudsman's office told me his personal CPAP machine retails for $1300. State insurance paid a DME provider $3500.

If there's a TV station that would bring that scheme to light I haven't found it yet, but I'm of good cheer. I haven't stopped looking.


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Re: O'Reilly Factor

Postby Abraham » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:00 am

apvonkanel ,

Thank you very much for the enlightenment!

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Re: O'Reilly Factor

Postby Jusme » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:03 am

treadlightly wrote:
TVGuy wrote:Know that while we may be the same company, local stations don't try and slant the story with a political agenda that the national news divisions do. We care about local issues, which rarely include national political topics of that nature. Station management in DFW for example is nearly all Republican. Many of the reporters and anchors, in any TV market, are from out of town. Part of moving up in that position is moving around the country. I know some that have been working 10 years and have lived in nearly that many different places. Many times that means they are from the coasts, which means they tend to see the world through a different lens that many of us on this board.


No offense intended, but news isn't what it used to be. The stations around here (Central Texas) won't touch a story with regional or statewide implications unless they get it from the Texas Tribune.

It's particularly frustrating when news doesn't serve watch keeping over the government.

I have a favorite dead horse I like to beat about election law. I've never been able to get a news station to look at the story - here's how to confirm the law is being broken, here's how to find a national candidate who lost 1/3 of his votes because of the this problem - and nothing.

Lately I've been trying to break a health care scam. My wife got a bunch of equipment from a DME (Durable Medical Equipment) provider, driven to them as our insurance company's in-network provider. The prices were ridiculous. There are many twists and turns to the pricing, but here's a couple of examples - $2200 billed for a $250 wheelchair, $770 allowed by the insurance company. $160 billed and allowed by the insurance company for a $25 wheelchair seat cushion.

It's not just private insurers, it's government programs getting scammed, too. An investigator the Texas Health and Human Service's Ombudsman's office told me his personal CPAP machine retails for $1300. State insurance paid a DME provider $3500.

If there's a TV station that would bring that scheme to light I haven't found it yet, but I'm of good cheer. I haven't stopped looking.



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TVguy can probably speak more intelligently, than I can, but local news, doesn't even do justice to local stories, due to time constraints. They cherry pick things they can get covered in under 30 seconds for the most part, and issues like the insurance/DME provider scams, would take way too much time to research and report in the fast paced style they use today. It would require a series of reports, and when news stations start getting into complicated numbers, and scams, that have to be meticulously explained, they know their viewers eyes glaze over, and the remote comes into play. I would think you could get more response from a different venue, than television media, like newspapers and internet news sources. But even those have a limit to the amount of info they feel they can include in one article. JMHO
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Re: O'Reilly Factor

Postby G26ster » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:03 am

O'Reilly is a commentator not a reporter. Tucker Carlson is a commentator not a reporter. Sean Hannity is a commentator not a reporter. If you watch these shows for news, then your not getting news, you're getting commentary. Shepard Smith is a reporter, who is also a "snarky" commentator that he's not supposed to be. I don't watch him anymore.

Fox's policy of "fair and balanced" is as close as you can get to "balance" with any outlet. I watch less, because they insist on having counter "talking heads" on every show, and frankly I'm nauseated by the left's constant talking points of racism, bigotry, homophobia, etc. in every position they take. Not that is isn't fair or balanced, it's just raises my blood pressure too much. I do think that the Murdoch boys have moved Fox closer to the left than they used to be though. Frankly, I get most of my news from the morning "straight news" shows on Fox because there is little to no commentary, and all I get is "what happened." That's all I need to know. I don't need a thirty-something liberal or conservative's acedemia based world view to tell me what "really happened."

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Re: O'Reilly Factor

Postby Bitter Clinger » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:18 am

G26ster wrote:O'Reilly is a commentator not a reporter. Tucker Carlson is a commentator not a reporter. Sean Hannity is a commentator not a reporter. If you watch these shows for news, then your not getting news, you're getting commentary. Shepard Smith is a reporter, who is also a "snarky" commentator that he's not supposed to be. I don't watch him anymore.

Fox's policy of "fair and balanced" is as close as you can get to "balance" with any outlet. I watch less, because they insist on having counter "talking heads" on every show, and frankly I'm nauseated by the left's constant talking points of racism, bigotry, homophobia, etc. in every position they take. Not that is isn't fair or balanced, it's just raises my blood pressure too much. I do think that the Murdoch boys have moved Fox closer to the left than they used to be though. Frankly, I get most of my news from the morning "straight news" shows on Fox because there is little to no commentary, and all I get is "what happened." That's all I need to know. I don't need a thirty-something liberal or conservative's acedemia based world view to tell me what "really happened."


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Re: O'Reilly Factor

Postby Beiruty » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:37 am

I am fed up with group of five group of 2 or even talking heads like O'reilly.
First of all, what is no spin zone? is that one zone for pulling to your direction only? Oh, Why in the world those talking heads, such as political expert, advisor, strategist, guru Oop scratch that one.... are really, credible, trustworthy or honest?
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Re: O'Reilly Factor

Postby TVGuy » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:44 am

treadlightly wrote:
TVGuy wrote:Know that while we may be the same company, local stations don't try and slant the story with a political agenda that the national news divisions do. We care about local issues, which rarely include national political topics of that nature. Station management in DFW for example is nearly all Republican. Many of the reporters and anchors, in any TV market, are from out of town. Part of moving up in that position is moving around the country. I know some that have been working 10 years and have lived in nearly that many different places. Many times that means they are from the coasts, which means they tend to see the world through a different lens that many of us on this board.


No offense intended, but news isn't what it used to be. The stations around here (Central Texas) won't touch a story with regional or statewide implications unless they get it from the Texas Tribune.

It's particularly frustrating when news doesn't serve watch keeping over the government.

I have a favorite dead horse I like to beat about election law. I've never been able to get a news station to look at the story - here's how to confirm the law is being broken, here's how to find a national candidate who lost 1/3 of his votes because of the this problem - and nothing.

Lately I've been trying to break a health care scam. My wife got a bunch of equipment from a DME (Durable Medical Equipment) provider, driven to them as our insurance company's in-network provider. The prices were ridiculous. There are many twists and turns to the pricing, but here's a couple of examples - $2200 billed for a $250 wheelchair, $770 allowed by the insurance company. $160 billed and allowed by the insurance company for a $25 wheelchair seat cushion.

It's not just private insurers, it's government programs getting scammed, too. An investigator the Texas Health and Human Service's Ombudsman's office told me his personal CPAP machine retails for $1300. State insurance paid a DME provider $3500.

If there's a TV station that would bring that scheme to light I haven't found it yet, but I'm of good cheer. I haven't stopped looking.


No offense taken at all. Unfortunately, many of the big media companies have squeezed and squeezed on staff and expenses and in turn local TV news and other programming has been hurt. The product that many put out is garbage, especially in smaller markets. That's also why they are using stories from the TX Tribune.

Luckily, I would for one of the actual networks and in a top 5 market. My company has been spending money over the last several years in order for us to really make an impact.

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Re: O'Reilly Factor

Postby SQLGeek » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:58 am

Pariah3j wrote:One of the commentators I listen too had an interesting perspective on the matter - O'reilly had several of these suits/cases/allegations brought up previously, advertisers come and go - so why did Fox suddenly decide to drop him like a lead balloon ? Paying off the women were the cost of doing business, and they had been more then willing to pay the money to make it go away previously, so what changed ? Innocent until proven guilty, but you gotta wonder what the company knows that suddenly made them do a 180.


Roger Ailes isn't around anymore. After his sexual harassment scandal, I bet the current Fox News leadership is a bit more sensitive to this.
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