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California(s)

Postby JustSomeOldGuy » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:28 pm

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/new-california-declared

Assuming this is 'real', it should be interesting to watch...........
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Re: California(s)

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:39 pm

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Postby G40yes » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:53 pm

Yes, this looks like it would be a helpful change, and would give more and better choices to the remaining freedom-loving Americans still living there. Best wishes and God's blessings and wisdom.
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Postby The Annoyed Man » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:12 pm

This plan would have a much better chance of being approved than others, as it creates an enclave of almost universally like minded people. Three interesting outcomes which don’t seem to be mentioned anywhere: (1) “New California” would hold onto most of California’s industrial base AND petroleum resources; (2) it would divest itself of most of California’s military installations; and (3) since it would exclude the state’s Central Valley, it would get rid of most of the state’s migrant farm labor.

The new state would contain Travis AFB, Moffett Field, Presidio of Monterey & NSA Monterey, Fort Hunter Liggett, Camp Roberts, CANG Camp San Luis Obispo, Vandenberg AFB, and Port Hueneme & Point Mugu NB. That’s it.

Meanwhile “Old” CA would retain Sierra Army Depot, Beale AFB, MWTC Bridgeport, Naval Air Station Lemoore, Naval Air Weapons Station China Lake, Fort Irwin, Edwards AFB, MCAGCC Twenty Nine Palms, Camp Pendelton, Naval Base Coronado, San Nicolas Island, San Clemente Island, Fleet Combat Training Center PAC (SPAWAR) Chocolate Mountains Aerial Gunnery Range, Naval Base Point Loma, Silver Strand Training Complex, and NOLF Imperial Beach.

Map here: http://militarycouncil.ca.gov/docs/installations_map.pdf
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Postby The Annoyed Man » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:16 pm

Another bonus, “Old” California is more conservative leaning than liberal. When it is its own state, those electoral votes will go for the more conservative presidential candidate. This will have the effect of splitting “now” California’s influence in both Congress and the electoral college. That can only be good for the rest of the country.
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Re: California(s)

Postby anygunanywhere » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:26 pm

i.m not sure about this given that Contra Costa County is in the new state. CCC is NOT conservative. I lived there for 8 years from 1995 to 2003. It wants to be just like San Francisco.
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Re: California(s)

Postby SQLGeek » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:34 pm

anygunanywhere wrote:i.m not sure about this given that Contra Costa County is in the new state. CCC is NOT conservative. I lived there for 8 years from 1995 to 2003. It wants to be just like San Francisco.


I was surprised to see that as well. Although I think you could separate west county vs east county by drawing the state line at the range of hills that are a part of Mt. Diablo.

You could also do the same in parts of Solano. Vacaville and Dixon always made more sense to be a part of Yolo county anyways. The range of hills between Vacaville and Fairfield is a big change in climate which results in the places east of the hills not having a typical Bay Area climate even though they are technically a part of the Bay Area.

Everything from Davis to Sacramento could be left in the old California. When I lived in Vacaville, I thought that Vacaville, Dixon and Woodland reminded me quite a bit of Texas. They would fit in well with New California.

TAM, I think you're getting your nomenclature mixed up. "New California" would be the counties in blue. That would include most of the Central Valley (San Joaquin, Stanislaus, Fresno, Madera, Tulare, Kings, even Kern).

There is no way Sacramento would give up the oil fields in the Kern County area, the timber in the north AND the crop production of the Central Valley.

I wouldn't mind seeing it happen though I would hope they could carve out San Luis Obispo county into New California. For being Californian and on the coast, SLO is not raging liberal.

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Re: California(s)

Postby The Annoyed Man » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:27 pm

anygunanywhere wrote:i.m not sure about this given that Contra Costa County is in the new state. CCC is NOT conservative. I lived there for 8 years from 1995 to 2003. It wants to be just like San Francisco.

I’m saying the OLD state (everything outside of the “new” state) would be more conservative.
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Re: California(s)

Postby The Annoyed Man » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:30 pm

SQLGeek wrote:
anygunanywhere wrote:i.m not sure about this given that Contra Costa County is in the new state. CCC is NOT conservative. I lived there for 8 years from 1995 to 2003. It wants to be just like San Francisco.


I was surprised to see that as well. Although I think you could separate west county vs east county by drawing the state line at the range of hills that are a part of Mt. Diablo.

You could also do the same in parts of Solano. Vacaville and Dixon always made more sense to be a part of Yolo county anyways. The range of hills between Vacaville and Fairfield is a big change in climate which results in the places east of the hills not having a typical Bay Area climate even though they are technically a part of the Bay Area.

Everything from Davis to Sacramento could be left in the old California. When I lived in Vacaville, I thought that Vacaville, Dixon and Woodland reminded me quite a bit of Texas. They would fit in well with New California.

TAM, I think you're getting your nomenclature mixed up. "New California" would be the counties in blue. That would include most of the Central Valley (San Joaquin, Stanislaus, Fresno, Madera, Tulare, Kings, even Kern).

There is no way Sacramento would give up the oil fields in the Kern County area, the timber in the north AND the crop production of the Central Valley.

I wouldn't mind seeing it happen though I would hope they could carve out San Luis Obispo county into New California. For being Californian and on the coast, SLO is not raging liberal.

Well it's a nice dream at least....

Then, simply the inverse of what I already said. The old state would be even more liberal, and the new state would be even more conservative. I assumed the “new state” was the coastal region....my bad....but my points are still valid.
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