Nationwide CCW Ban?

[maximus2161]

I posted this earlier in Federal but I believe it belongs here: (MODS, Mr. Cotton, please move if I am wrong)


Unless I missed this posted elsewhere already, I have been reading about stances on a nationwide ban CCW by either Hillary or Obama. I know we cant predict the future but I am curious if either get into office how likely it would be for Obama's Anti-2nd Amendment proposals to become law? Nationwide ban on CCW, most specifically.

Is this a real threat and likely to happen if one of them gets into the White House?


I do not even understand the thinking behind those who want to impose such a ban. Allowing people to have CHL's and lawfully carry has not increased the crime rate or violent shootings from what I have seen! At least not by CHL holders. Losing the privilege of being able to have a CHL is an AWFUL thought.

[Venus Pax]

I don't hear them talking about it, but that doesn't mean it isn't on their minds.
I would imagine it would take shape as "small" restrictions here and there, rather than a quick, sweeping ban.

[nitrogen]

Barak O'Clinton might support such a ban, but it'd be suicide to even nudge such a thing, let alone sign it.

If the Democrats thought the AWB hurt them, this would do 3x the damage I think.

Assuming they destroy themselves this primary.

[brianm2004]

If they outlaw guns only outlaws will have them.

Statistics show that 99% of all unlawful homicides are comitted by unliscensed untrained individuals and 52% have a prior record for violence or spousal abuse.

Where as 89% of all deaths caused by a CHL Holder are found to be Justifiable homicide.

Think about an individual who cares enough about the law to carry a weapon legally with the proper permits and liscensing is pretty much a law abiding citizen. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTECT OURSELVES AND FAMILY FROM THOSE THAT ARENT. Most murderers and theives I doubt care about CHL's or gun laws Hell thats the least of there worries.

STAND FOR OUR 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHT'S. WE MUST STAND FOR SOMETHING OR FALL FOR NOTHING.

[The Annoyed Man]

Senator Obama hasn't yet proposed a nationwide ban on CHL. However, he has proposed a federal law forbidding CHL reciprocity between states.

It is imperative that Obama be defeated, even if the thought of voting for Senator McCain makes your eyes water and your teeth hurt!!! Given the choice we have this year, and that the realistic chance of anybody being elected whose last name isn't either Obama, Clinton, or McCain is next to nil, that is how I'm going to vote - for the lesser of 3 evils.

Just my 2¢.

[brianm2004]

Well buddy your 2¢ and mine equal 4 and I have a feeling theres a lot more of the same out there that equal a couple of bucks. I agree with what you said as much as it may hurt we must do our duty as patriots and insure out libirties are no trodden on.

[txmatt]

Senator Obama hasn't yet proposed a nationwide ban on CHL. However, he has proposed a federal law forbidding CHL reciprocity between states.

Well, I suppose Obama needs to have a talk with the folks at cnn(http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html), and ask them to stop these vicious rumors.

[brianm2004]

I am in no way making threats of any kind im just making a statement:

If our constitution starts being stomped on I think one of these OVER-Patriotic wacos is going to pull a kennedy all over again.

I dont think that will be the right thing to do but I do think we all need to insure that neither of them are elected but putting our foot down at the polls.

[Hyunchback]

Senator Obama hasn't yet proposed a nationwide ban on CHL. However, he has proposed a federal law forbidding CHL reciprocity between states.

It is imperative that Obama be defeated, even if the thought of voting for Senator McCain makes your eyes water and your teeth hurt!!! Given the choice we have this year, and that the realistic chance of anybody being elected whose last name isn't either Obama, Clinton, or McCain is next to nil, that is how I'm going to vote - for the lesser of 3 evils.

Just my 2¢.

That was the choice I faced in voting in the primary. Yes, I voted for Paul in the primary. I wasn't going to vote Democrat because there were local candidates I wanted to vote in support of.

I'll vote for McCain.

ONCE.

He's a terrible choice but the alternative is worse.

[aardwolf]

I'll vote for McCain.

ONCE.

If he wins this year you'll vote Dem in 2012?

[stevie_d_64]

Senator Obama hasn't yet proposed a nationwide ban on CHL. However, he has proposed a federal law forbidding CHL reciprocity between states.

Well, I suppose Obama needs to have a talk with the folks at cnn(http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html), and ask them to stop these vicious rumors.

Everyone of these people left concerns me greatly...Does that mean all is lost??? Nope...

But you have to ask this question, and I kinda chuckle just thinking about it...

But "how" do you really get a C+ rating out of the NRA??? I figure you are either an "F" or an A or A+...Ther is no middle ground here...

You either implicitely trust the citizens to own and bear arms for any legal purpose, or you don't...Trying to use gun-control as a means of crime control is plain stupid from the get go...But thats preaching to the choir...

A reminder again...We had better git out there and vote like there is no tomorrow in November...And vote ALL the way down the ballot wherever you are...

[lionswrath79]

Senator Obama hasn't yet proposed a nationwide ban on CHL. However, he has proposed a federal law forbidding CHL reciprocity between states.

Well, I suppose Obama needs to have a talk with the folks at cnn(http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html), and ask them to stop these vicious rumors.

Everyone of these people left concerns me greatly...Does that mean all is lost??? Nope...

But you have to ask this question, and I kinda chuckle just thinking about it...

But "how" do you really get a C+ rating out of the NRA??? I figure you are either an "F" or an A or A+...Ther is no middle ground here...

You either implicitely trust the citizens to own and bear arms for any legal purpose, or you don't...Trying to use gun-control as a means of crime control is plain stupid from the get go...But thats preaching to the choir...

A reminder again...We had better git out there and vote like there is no tomorrow in November...And vote ALL the way down the ballot wherever you are...

I agree Stevie!!

[locknload]

I don't hear them talking about it, but that doesn't mean it isn't on their minds.
I would imagine it would take shape as "small" restrictions here and there, rather than a quick, sweeping ban.

The fact that they don't talk about it is what is most disconcerting. If you pay attention to what these folks don't say, you get a really good idea of who they are. Then, watch who their friends are for the rest of the story.

I just received this. The source is good, but I can't verify the contents. Just throwing it out there for food for thought:

http://www.aim.org/aim-report/is-barack ... xist-Mole/

Hillary is known to have strong socialist leanings, so now it seems Obama is as bad or worse. McCain is way too liberal for me, but, if elected, he will be mostly beholden to the Republican Party, and that may give us some control over him. Our hope will be to elect a strongly Conservative House and Senate at the next go-round.

Now, that's my .02!

[mondo2000]

Besides the candidates position on the constitution being a living document or not (it is not), I look to see why each person wants to be the president. In my opinion John McCain does not want to be president for personal gain, but because he believes he is the most suited to serve and protect the country. If John McCain beat George W. Bush in the 2000 primary we would be in a very different position than we are today. Osama bin Laden would be swinging from the gallows; the federal deficit would be nonexistent; and the United States would not be kissing the backside Russia, China, and Venezuela.

Obama and Clinton do not want to be the President of the United States for altruistic reasons. Clinton wants to be President because she thinks she deserves it, as if taking advantage of your husbands marital infidelity prepares her for such an important position. She was weak for a moment and everyone pitied her and she wants to prove how strong she is. She does not want to serve the country, she wants the country to server her. She wants the power to go after those that hurt her in the past. She wants to consolidate the power of the Clinton name to further her and her family's career.

Obama also wants the nation to serve him. He wants to lead the socialization of the United States. To make it a weak nation in the same image as Europe, which cowers in the shadow of Russia. He wants to take away any freedom given to you at birth by your Creator to further the consolidation of the Presidency and his goals. He wants to be President not to serve the United States and further its affluence for all, but to serve his ideology and to redistribute wealth to those who support him and has brought him to where he is now.

Many people bash John McCain but they need to consider their sources. You cannot trust the media on your television station and the radio. They are puppets for those who own them. Even Fox News which pretends to be a conservative voice really supports Clinton. Murdock, the CEO and majority owner of Fox is raising money for Hillary Clinton. The media will take a little jab a McCain by telling a lie. The lie grows until the source used to defend that lie is the original lie and soon everyone believes it is true. Look at what they tried to do with that lobbyist. They used a previous lie from 2000 as their source for the lie in 2008.

If anyone has any doubt about who John McCain is only needs to see where he has been. When he was a prisoner of North Vietnam he was physically and psychologically tortured by his captors. When his captors offered to set him free only 6 months after he was captured he refused. He said he would only leave if all the people that were captured before him could leave with him. The first person captured is the first person released. Unlike Clinton he did not cheat the system because of his name (his father was the commander of all U.S. forces in the Viet Nam theater), and even today he does not use the pain he suffered to obtain more power. He explains his torture from his past to remind our nation of the sacrifices and responsibility all citizens must face in preserving our freedom.

Since this is a firearm forum I want to add the facts on how John McCain voted on the the major firearm legislation for the last 15 years.

John McCain voted against a 10-year extension of the assault weapons ban.
John McCain opposed legislation requiring trigger locks for handguns.
John McCain opposed 1994 crime bill, which contained the assault weapons ban.
John McCain opposes a national ban on concealed handgun licenses.

If you want your firearms confiscated or if you want a DC and Chicago style gun control where only police officers can possess a handgun; or if you support possession of a shotgun or rifle that must be disassembled when in your own home, then vote for Clinton and Obama. Their reasons for disarmament is simple. It is because they do not trust the citizens of the United States. They believe the government needs to micromanage every aspect of our lives. The choice for 2008 is simple and clear. Do you want to stay free or do you want to be a slave?

[sbb]

Clinton or Obama won't have the say in this one. The ruling in the Heller case, provided by SCOTUS, will determine our future. I am far from being a constitutional scholar and don't know how an executive order or legislation could render reciprocity between states meaningless. Please enlighten a freshman student.