Living for 32-Anti-Gun Comes to my TX Campus

[jmoney]

Hi there, today as I walk into my college buildings I notice that there are signs everywhere, with giant letters claiming Guns on campus? Think Twice! There is a survivor from the Virginia shooting coming here as well to talk to students about how allowing guns on campus would be the end of their lives, how he himself called 911 that stopped the shootings 6 minutes, blah blah blah. I am quite furious that these people are allowed to come to my college campus, but I can say without a doubt if someone attempted to put on a documentary that showed how the brady campaign is nothing but a detriment to honest citezens who would rather save them selves, rather than get shot 5 times waiting for the police like this man.

when are people going to get it, 6 minutes...while impressive for the police to get on scence and through a barricade is nothing compared to the split second that a properly trained, CHL holder could have ended the situation. The brady campaign does nothing but make it more difficult for honest people to purchase a firearm so that they may be a wolf instead of a sheep. Why is it that mass murders only seem to happen in gun-free zones? How have laws ever been effective at preventing criminals, and the mentally deranged from purchasing firearms, they haven't. What they will do however is prevent a law abiding citzen from doing anything but calling 911 while being shot at repeatedly.

[WildBill]

Why is it that mass murders only seem to happen in gun-free zones?

I don't know that this is true. They can happen anywhere. They occur in "gun-free zones" because that is where large numbers of people happen to get together.

How have laws ever been effective at preventing criminals, and the mentally deranged from purchasing firearms, they haven't. What they will do however is prevent a law abiding citzen from doing anything but calling 911 while being shot at repeatedly.

This is true.

[Keith B]

Is the guy that is speaking John Wood? If so, he was nowhere near the shooting when it occurred. He is using his attendance at Virginia Tech and the loss of his alleged girlfriend to the shooter to promote an anti-gun stance. Charles has debated the guy before. See http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php? ... 9&p=273668" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[jmoney]

If I walk by another poster ill write his name, I googled the website live32 and it is on there, apparently he is the "hero" that saved everyone by dialing 911 and was shot 5 times will waiting for the police to arrive, and now is against gun carry on campus. I see a definite lack in logic there, but hey to each their own

[Keith B]

OK, found it. It's Colin Goddard, who is now being financed by the Brady Campaign to go and spout his rhetoric about the shooting and how he was the hero. I have seen him on television before, and unless he has gotten way better at presenting his hype on why there should be no guns, anyone who is half decent in debate could chew up and spit out his line of argument (like most of the Brady clones.)

[RPB]

"how he himself called 911 that stopped the shootings"
Lie number one, him calling 911 didn't stop anything.



6 minutes?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... dard_N.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PLEASE read this whole article, his memory (story) is changing
Updated 4/22/2007

Ten minutes later, the gunman was back. Again, he moved to the window and "made multiple passes around the room and shot multiple people multiple times…. He had been shooting very rapidly in succession and reloading quickly.
He reloaded in our room a few times. He kept dropping clips and changing them out," said Goddard, who had his eyes open. "I was very alert and conscious throughout the whole thing."

Colin laid down and "played possum" and dialed 911 and listened to Cho reload "several times"
Rather than like the woman in Tucson who rose to the occasion and actually stopped the shooter in Tucson.
THAT woman is a hero, Colin is a paid employee of the Brady Campaign who got lucky in depending on a crazy person to let him live instead of taking any action which had meaningful results.

More about Colin here :
http://www.campuscarry.com/2010/07/15/v ... -to-react/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and
http://www.campuscarry.com/2011/01/06/c ... g-picture/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And Douva responding in a post here: (Colin testified that he had time to react)
http://www.opposingviews.com/comments/v ... e-to-react" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SO ...Here, ten minutes later turned into "seconds later'
http://www.richmondmagazine.com/?articl ... e230fe10ad" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Issue: January 2011
Posted: 12/20/10 7:22 AM

Seconds later, he hears the door open, and the sound of footsteps returns.

And a article by Paul Helmke of the Brady finance group against self-protection, promoting Colin's film
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helm ... 19993.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[jcarp02]

What camus is it? I just looked at the website, and it looks like they are pretty much just sticking with campus in the northeast U.S. and southern California.

[Texas Dan Mosby]

Some courses of action I would consider:

1. Counter signs posted throughout school.

2. Schedule a speaker who can counter the argument with facts.

3. Form an on campus pro-firearms group.

4. Seek support from pro-gun alumni / private supporter who donate funds to the campus.

Logic is your ally, and while I'm sure there is a significant group of individuals that don't think for themselves on campus, there are also individuals who form their opinions based on logic. The fact of the matter is that laws and rules are only effective if individuals are willing to follow them.

I bet you could purchase marijuana on campus 24/7 DESPITE the fact it is illegal and against campus policy...

[jcarp02]

"After recovering and finishing his degree, Colin Goddard decided he was going to volunteer for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, the nation’s largest gun control organization. And he was going to convince them to sponsor him in wearing a hidden camera and going undercover into gun shows all across America, to prove how easy it is for anyone to buy a gun, with no identification, no Brady background check, and just a wad of cash."

That's bad. I see them trying to spin this to make it look like every gun dealer is selling guns under the table, even if it's only a very small minority.

[RPB]

"After recovering and finishing his degree, Colin Goddard decided he was going to volunteer for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, the nation’s largest gun control organization. And he was going to convince them to sponsor him in wearing a hidden camera and going undercover into gun shows all across America, to prove how easy it is for anyone to buy a gun, with no identification, no Brady background check, and just a wad of cash."

That's bad. I see them trying to spin this to make it look like every gun dealer is selling guns under the table, even if it's only a very small minority.

Actually "volunteer" = "intern" he is now in a paid position and his dad Andy may be too
Colin & Andy Goddard
Colin Goddard, Assistant Director of Federal Legislation

Andy Goddard is Colin's dad, it's nice that he was able to get income for both himself and his dad .... great job security I imagine.... They have "financial motive" for their positions, whereas Suzanna Hupp wasn't promoting self defense for an "income" or "job security"

I generally try to discredit them by 1)financial motive and 2) why does Colin's story keep changing? Isn't the truth Always the truth? Did the facts of April 16th 2007 recently change for Colin's convenience? Inconsistencies are arising.

WHICH time was he lying?
To the first reporters when memory was fresh? April of 2007 (Ten minutes later?)
To later reporters years later? 2010/2011 (Seconds later?)
Maybe
Under oath when testifying before the Crime Sub-Committee of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee ?

Why does the story change?

My momma told me the truth is always the truth and his story keeps changing so .... which time(s) is he lying? Which version should I believe? Why should I believe him now, years later when his memory has had time to dilute facts and forget?

[jmoney]

It is at Texas State University, formally southwest texas, in San Marcos Texas. There was no indication that this was happening here until today, and im guessing the purpose was to keep any truly informed people from showing up to the debate, like at the one between the student council and the students on concealed campus carry.

And also, it wouldn't matter if you tried to argue with these people, typically at events setup by the college democrats organization, any opposition is asked to stop speaking or refrain from attending. Which is nice because the eventually of these meetings is a group of individuals would rather feel special than informed.

a simple stack of gunfacts bound together and handed throughout the audience would be a pretty interesting, too bad I had not known about his earlier I would have without a doubt gotten the money together to print a hundred copies or so

[RPB]

lol
Fact book:

Fact 1) Colin's position is motivated by his and his dad's job security and paychecks.
Fact 2) Colin lies, .......... perhaps to the extent of perjury?
Fact 3) Colin's position is motivated by his and his dad's job security and paychecks.


Somebody there needs to contact someone like Dr. Suzanna Hupp to speak there if it can be arranged.
See : viewtopic.php?f=90&t=42223&p=509502&hilit=hupp#p509502" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(I only have her husband's work number, Kory or Douva or Charles may can help, I dunno if or what she may charge to speak, or maybe another speaker/presentation)

[jmoney]

It would be very interesting to see if they would allow a pro-gun discussion to take place on campus

[tacticool]

The Brady Campaign to Violate Civil Rights was instrumental in ensuring that Cho's victims were unarmed.

[Fangs]

Whoa, when is this happening? Which building / room?