Is there is anti-gun confiscation law in Texas?

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Is there is anti-gun confiscation law in Texas?

Postby drjoker » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:01 pm

Is there a Texas law that forbids the confiscation of guns during a disaster/emergency?

During the Katrina debacle, New Orleans residents had their guns confiscated (and never returned) by the police. The police failed to maintain order and decided to confiscate guns in order to do so. This left law-abiding citizens defenseless against looters and rogue cops.

The liberal news media wants you to think that there were armed vigilantes shooting people for no reason:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090105/thompson
Vinnie Pervel, the leader of the neighborhood watch was branded a vigilante.

However, this is what really happened:
http://www.bobtuley.com/gun_seizures.htm#wallmart
Vinnie Pervel selflessly turned off his neighbors' gas to prevent fires and he was personally violently assaulted and car jacked. Would a selfess guy like this commit murder? What were these "innocent" people who don't live in the neighborhood doing walking around in full view of signs everywhere that warned, "you loot we shoot"? Do you suppose they were lovers taking a romantic midnight stroll or murderous looters and rapists?

Cops did this:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/24/katrina.cop.charges/index.html
There are good cops and bad cops. They are just like regular folks. They are not any better at obeying the laws than the civilian population. Who polices the police?

Is there a Texas law that forbids the confiscation of guns during a disaster/emergency?
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Re: Is there is anti-gun confiscation law in Texas?

Postby Charles L. Cotton » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:02 pm

Yes, Texas passed an emergency powers bill to prevent a New Orleans style confiscation. The feds. did likewise.

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Re: Is there is anti-gun confiscation law in Texas?

Postby Familyman1993 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:10 pm

IIRC, I thought the Federal Legislation was actually an amendment to a Homeland Security funding bill that specifically stated that no Federal funds were to be used to confiscate firearms during an emergency (no Federal confiscation). I’m not sure if the language was meant for all future funds or just for that years funds. Anyone got any specifics on the Federal version? I’m concerned it may not have much teeth in the future, but I could be wrong.
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Re: Is there is anti-gun confiscation law in Texas?

Postby marksiwel » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:23 pm

drjoker wrote:Is there a Texas law that forbids the confiscation of guns during a disaster/emergency?

During the Katrina debacle, New Orleans residents had their guns confiscated (and never returned) by the police. The police failed to maintain order and decided to confiscate guns in order to do so. This left law-abiding citizens defenseless against looters and rogue cops.

The liberal news media wants you to think that there were armed vigilantes shooting people for no reason:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090105/thompson
Vinnie Pervel, the leader of the neighborhood watch was branded a vigilante.

However, this is what really happened:
http://www.bobtuley.com/gun_seizures.htm#wallmart
Vinnie Pervel selflessly turned off his neighbors' gas to prevent fires and he was personally violently assaulted and car jacked. Would a selfess guy like this commit murder? What were these "innocent" people who don't live in the neighborhood doing walking around in full view of signs everywhere that warned, "you loot we shoot"? Do you suppose they were lovers taking a romantic midnight stroll or murderous looters and rapists?

Cops did this:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/24/katrina.cop.charges/index.html
There are good cops and bad cops. They are just like regular folks. They are not any better at obeying the laws than the civilian population. Who polices the police?

Is there a Texas law that forbids the confiscation of guns during a disaster/emergency?
Thanks for answering my question!
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Re: Is there is anti-gun confiscation law in Texas?

Postby chabouk » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:47 am

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Yes, Texas passed an emergency powers bill to prevent a New Orleans style confiscation. The feds. did likewise.

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Cite, counselor? ;-)

Government Code Section 433 (State of Emergency):
Sec. 433.0045. FIREARMS. (a) A directive issued under this chapter may not authorize the seizure or confiscation of any firearm or ammunition from an individual who is lawfully carrying or possessing the firearm or ammunition.

(b) A peace officer who is acting in the lawful execution of the officer's official duties during a state of emergency may disarm an individual if the officer reasonably believes it is immediately necessary for the protection of the officer or another individual.

(c) The peace officer shall return a firearm and any ammunition to an individual disarmed under Subsection (b) before ceasing to detain the individual unless the officer:

(1) arrests the individual for engaging in criminal activity; or

(2) seizes the firearm as evidence in a criminal investigation.

Added by Acts 2007, 80th Leg., R.S., Ch. 18, Sec. 4, eff. April 27, 2007.
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Re: Is there is anti-gun confiscation law in Texas?

Postby drjoker » Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:46 am

marksiwel wrote:What about Algiers Point?

I see we agree here. Gun control is inherently racist. People who lived in expensive restored historical homes (Algiers point) did not have their guns confiscated, but minorities and poor whites who lived in low income homes did have their guns confiscated. That's why I'm against gun control because I am against racism.

During the reconstruction in the South, there were gun control laws. However, these laws were only enforced against blacks and other minorities.

Also, in California, the "Saturday Night Special" gun control laws were meant to keep guns out of the hands of Asians.

P.S. Keith B: :iagree: (My brain is fried, can you think of a better term? It's unfair, maybe?)
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Re: Is there is anti-gun confiscation law in Texas?

Postby Keith B » Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:10 am

drjoker wrote:
marksiwel wrote:What about Algiers Point?

I see we agree here. Gun control is inherently racist. People who lived in expensive restored historical homes (Algiers point) did not have their guns confiscated, but minorities and poor whites who lived in low income homes did have their guns confiscated. That's why I'm against gun control because I am against racism.



Let's make sure you get your terms straight and call it what it is. This was not 'Racism', it was 'Favoritism or Discrimination'. Race had nothing to do with it. Rich or financially well off, or low income is NOT a race of people. I get very tired of the term being thrown around improperly and tried to be used as a catch all for discrimination or favoritism.
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Re: Is there is anti-gun confiscation law in Texas?

Postby Munk » Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:14 am

Keith B wrote:
drjoker wrote:
marksiwel wrote:What about Algiers Point?

I see we agree here. Gun control is inherently racist. People who lived in expensive restored historical homes (Algiers point) did not have their guns confiscated, but minorities and poor whites who lived in low income homes did have their guns confiscated. That's why I'm against gun control because I am against racism.



Let's make sure you get your terms straight and call it what it is. This was not 'Racism', it was 'Favoritism or Discrimination'. Race had nothing to do with it. Rich or financially well off, or low income is NOT a race of people. I get very tired of the term being thrown around improperly and tried to be used as a catch all for discrimination or favoritism.



Well said. :iagree:
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Re: Is there is anti-gun confiscation law in Texas?

Postby Alamais » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:19 am

Keith B wrote:
drjoker wrote:
marksiwel wrote:What about Algiers Point?

I see we agree here. Gun control is inherently racist. People who lived in expensive restored historical homes (Algiers point) did not have their guns confiscated, but minorities and poor whites who lived in low income homes did have their guns confiscated. That's why I'm against gun control because I am against racism.



Let's make sure you get your terms straight and call it what it is. This was not 'Racism', it was 'Favoritism or Discrimination'. Race had nothing to do with it. Rich or financially well off, or low income is NOT a race of people. I get very tired of the term being thrown around improperly and tried to be used as a catch all for discrimination or favoritism.


totally agree with you there. the race card gets played way too darn much.

yup, you know its sad that as a Mexican, i see white people becoming the minorities, too bad they will never get their breaks as the other existing minorities.

it really busts me up to see double standards that way.
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Re: Is there is anti-gun confiscation law in Texas?

Postby The Annoyed Man » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:32 pm

Alamais wrote:totally agree with you there. the race card gets played way too darn much.

yup, you know its sad that as a Mexican, i see white people becoming the minorities, too bad they will never get their breaks as the other existing minorities.

it really busts me up to see double standards that way.

I appreciate the sentiment, but as a white person, I don't really want or expect any special breaks related to my racial/ethnic status. I just want equal opportunity, not equal outcome. I'm sure you agree with that, but I thought it needed saying.
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Re: Is there is anti-gun confiscation law in Texas?

Postby boomerang » Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:06 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:I appreciate the sentiment, but as a white person, I don't really want or expect any special breaks related to my racial/ethnic status. I just want equal opportunity, not equal outcome. I'm sure you agree with that, but I thought it needed saying.

Would be especially nice if government agencies stopped discriminating in contracts, etc.

How can anyone take the government seriously when they say "racism is bad" while implementing and enforcing race-based policies? :headscratch
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Re: Is there is anti-gun confiscation law in Texas?

Postby Fangs » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:51 pm

Alamais wrote:the race card gets played way too darn much.


Funny, should be appropriate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RND2K4YrPNs
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Re: Is there is anti-gun confiscation law in Texas?

Postby drjoker » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:48 am

Check this out, POLICE looting in New Orleans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcajIRcBvA&feature=related . If that guy who was questioning those two looting police officers wasn't a part of a possibly live news camera crew, they probably would've been shot. :eek6

More looting cops: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Kc1sBntXI

Just to make sure you can't stop them from robbing you, the NOPD disarmed honest citizens who were NOT looting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4&NR=1 .

And if you "resisted" them by running away, well, then it's time for some target practice on unarmed men running away from you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykKwcH3biFw .

P.S. I can understand cops who loot food from Wal Mart after a disaaster, BUT those cops were taking TENNIS SHOES. Besides, for God's sakes, if you have to loot as a cop, TAKE OFF YOUR UNIFORM. Looting in uniform is a disgrace to the uniform.

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Re: Is there is anti-gun confiscation law in Texas?

Postby HankB » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:29 pm

I expect police going door-to-door without warrant or court order demanding Texans hand over anything would experience . . . difficulty.

Especially if they were out-of-town, or even out-of-state police engaging in rogue behavior as we've seen on post-Katrina videos out of NOLA.

A law explicitly preventing confiscation of firearms by police will protect police as much as the general citizenry.
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