Resolving the Sandy Hook dilemma

[baldeagle]

Never let a crisis go to waste, they say. Strike while the iron is hot, they say. Now is the time for action, they say.

OK, here's some suggestions based on the facts:
1) Don't pass gun control legislation. It does nothing to solve crimes like Sandy Hook.
2) Get serious about providing genuine mental health services (not drugs) that identify truly dangerous people and heal the rest. An identification of dangerous person must be arrived at by at least three completely independent professionals and approved by a state or federal court. An appeals process must be put in place to ensure abuses are few.
3) Stiffen the penalties for possession of a weapon as a convicted felon; first offense, 10 years (not up to) and no parole, second offense, life in prison, no parole. Possess a weapon with two previous felony convictions and it's automatic life without parole. Violent felons should be locked up, not "rehabilitated".
4) Allow CHL holders to carry everywhere that law enforcement personnel can; sporting events, schools, courtrooms, police stations, churches, malls, movie theatres - all the "gun free" zones that turn into slaughter houses.

Those are a few. There are probably others that make sense as well.

[Andrew]

I'm good with that. Nice to see someone else who likes the idea of a Penitentiary not a Corrections Facility for hard core recidivists.

[Stupid]

Still don't see the need for you to have any assault clips.

[baldeagle]

Still don't see the need for you to have any assault clips.

Fine. Don't buy any.

[2firfun50]

Never let a crisis go to waste, they say. Strike while the iron is hot, they say. Now is the time for action, they say.

OK, here's some suggestions based on the facts:
1) Don't pass gun control legislation. It does nothing to solve crimes like Sandy Hook.
2) Get serious about providing genuine mental health services (not drugs) that identify truly dangerous people and heal the rest. An identification of dangerous person must be arrived at by at least three completely independent professionals and approved by a state or federal court. An appeals process must be put in place to ensure abuses are few.
3) Stiffen the penalties for possession of a weapon as a convicted felon; first offense, 10 years (not up to) and no parole, second offense, life in prison, no parole. Possess a weapon with two previous felony convictions and it's automatic life without parole. Violent felons should be locked up, not "rehabilitated".
4) Allow CHL holders to carry everywhere that law enforcement personnel can; sporting events, schools, courtrooms, police stations, churches, malls, movie theatres - all the "gun free" zones that turn into slaughter houses.

Those are a few. There are probably others that make sense as well.

100% agree to such a rational plan. Now if we can all agree to fund such a plan. Effective at keeping firearms away from mentally challenged while following due process, but it will be expensive. Possibly quite effective.

[Stupid]

I would suggest to include:

1. Straw purchaser, 10 years mandatory. If the gun is used in a felony, 25 years mandatory.
2. If your kids (<18) commit a crime, you are liable whether you are the custodian or not. We can discuss about sentences for the parents.
3. Ban all movies and TV shows if they glorify any crime or criminals.
4. Ban all media from reporting mass murder, particular using their names.
5. Make showing violent movies to minors or letting minors play violent games a felony.

[Stupid]

I have been saying this all along. Why can't we propose our version of gun control law that focuses on controlling criminals?

It feels like we always sit here and wait for the antis to infringe our rights.

[RPB]

Still don't see the need for you to have any assault clips.

I do not know what an assault clip is unless it has spikes or something, but magazines with higher capacities would have benefited Mr. Castillo, the jewelry store owner referred to in your signature line who needed to use multiple guns to fend off the 3 robbers. I don't guess he "needed" them, but they would have benefited him. Need isn't an issue though and has nothing to do with anything, I don't "need" as dishwasher, but I like them.

Ramon Castillo and Eva, his wife of 30 years, Jewelry Store owners face-off with three armed men who were going to tie them up and shoot them in the head. Four bullets pierced Castillo's body six times because he had to run around getting different "low capacity" guns to fight back.

You're just doing the devil's advocate thing right?

[SewTexas]

Still don't see the need for you to have any assault clips.

don't have a clue what an "assault clip" is? can I go to a store and ask for those? is there a definition somewhere?

I know that some people want to say that more than 100 capacity is too much, some want to say more than 50 is too much, others more than 30 and still others more than 10.....I've seen videos of people changing clips faster than one would think possible, limiting capacity truly won't make a difference.

[Wes]

Well said, and since i own no weapon that takes clips then I don't have an opinion on that. My pistol magazine on the other hand is not high capacity just because it accepts 17 rounds. That is what it was designed to hold within the space built in to the gun. A bad guy will not honor that rule so if he has that many rounds I need more. What if there are two or three bad guys? What if there's more? I shouldn't be able to defend myself against them? Just as you can't see a need for them, I can't see a reason not to have them. Go watch a few IDPA videos and watch how long it takes to reload, mere seconds. Do you honestly think a 'magazine' with ten rounds vs standard 17 would make a tangible difference? No way, just another law to limit the law abiding. A smaller mag definately would not have prevented or help at Sandy Hook.

[A-R]

Never let a crisis go to waste, they say. Strike while the iron is hot, they say. Now is the time for action, they say.

OK, here's some suggestions based on the facts:
1) Don't pass gun control legislation. It does nothing to solve crimes like Sandy Hook.
2) Get serious about providing genuine mental health services (not drugs) that identify truly dangerous people and heal the rest. An identification of dangerous person must be arrived at by at least three completely independent professionals and approved by a state or federal court. An appeals process must be put in place to ensure abuses are few.
3) Stiffen the penalties for possession of a weapon as a convicted felon; first offense, 10 years (not up to) and no parole, second offense, life in prison, no parole. Possess a weapon with two previous felony convictions and it's automatic life without parole. Violent felons should be locked up, not "rehabilitated".
4) Allow CHL holders to carry everywhere that law enforcement personnel can; sporting events, schools, courtrooms, police stations, churches, malls, movie theatres - all the "gun free" zones that turn into slaughter houses.

Those are a few. There are probably others that make sense as well.

Great list ... permission to share?

[A-R]

I would suggest to include:

1. Straw purchaser, 10 years mandatory. If the gun is used in a felony, 25 years mandatory.
2. If your kids (<18) commit a crime, you are liable whether you are the custodian or not. We can discuss about sentences for the parents.
3. Ban all movies and TV shows if they glorify any crime or criminals.
4. Ban all media from reporting mass murder, particular using their names.
5. Make showing violence movies to minors or letting minors play violent games a felony.

I like your first one (as long as straw purchaser is narrowly defined - and not someone who innocently sold a gun to a felon without prior knowledge or intent)

The rest are just as rights-infringing as gun control and some are downright preposterous.

[howdy]

Still don't see the need for you to have any assault clips.

I think he meant that tongue and cheek. His other posts refer to magazines.

[03Lightningrocks]

All I want to know is where I can get me some of them there "assault clips" . Are they back ordered like everything else online?

[Stupid]

I would suggest to include:

1. Straw purchaser, 10 years mandatory. If the gun is used in a felony, 25 years mandatory.
2. If your kids (<18) commit a crime, you are liable whether you are the custodian or not. We can discuss about sentences for the parents.
3. Ban all movies and TV shows if they glorify any crime or criminals.
4. Ban all media from reporting mass murder, particular using their names.
5. Make showing violence movies to minors or letting minors play violent games a felony.

I like your first one (as long as straw purchaser is narrowly defined - and not someone who innocently sold a gun to a felon without prior knowledge or intent)

The rest are just as rights-infringing as gun control and some are downright preposterous.

How so? Showing porn to minors is a felony. It's OK to show them how to whack each other but not OK to have happy sex?

What a world. :-)