Resolving the Sandy Hook dilemma

[92f-fan]

Here is my some what sarcastic take:

The nanny state, is mandating that EVERYONE is a winner. How many of these recent mental cases were ALSO home schooled ? I know at least 3 or the recent ones were. Now we are talking about the same people who drive minivans at 80% of the speed limit, while on the phone to the PTA, and simultaneously screaming at the kids playing Call of Duty on Xbox in the back seat. They are a menace on the road and THEY are now the teachers. They are also the counselor and the principle and the disciplinarian. And the kids socialize with other like minded parents and kids. In many cases exclusively. Many kids today grow up with NO consequences. Everyone gets a ribbon. Everyone's participation is valued. Most of the pain points of child hood are muted by the nanny state, helmets required on tricycles is an example. Its a 3 wheel child's toy. Designed NOT to tip over at normal speeds. Putting a helmet on a kid that has some issues already, is encouraging him to take chances because he cant get hurt. He learns over years and years that he can do what he wants and nothing happens. No limits, no filters, not physically or socially.

One of the BIG reasons I don't do more stupid stuff, as a 49 year old, is that it brings back negative memories of my child hood where I was allowed to do more basic stupid stuff that ended up hurting a LOT. either because I injured myself or my friends. or because my parents injured my backside for being a dummy. Kids today don't have that learning curve.

Now add in a society that will not allow you to single anyone out for ANYTHING. Including mental illness. Getting someone real care is very difficult.
Finally add in a Political class that spends all its time gerrymandering taxes and thinking up more feel good legislation and we are doomed. Fix or enforce the laws we have

Sarcastic yes but I believe it ....

[handog]

hpcatx wrote, "our country, or even our world, is at a precipice the likes of which is larger than most realize or have ever faced."

You are correct sir. I really fear for my Grandones.

its not a problem that will be passed down to the next generation. It's here, now.

[03Lightningrocks]

The slippery slope works both ways. What we considered graphic violence twenty five years ago would be on the family hour of TV today.

It should be real interesting to observe what will be considered acceptable in another ten years. The media and the gaming industry continues to increase the level of violence and anti social behavior in order to titilate the audiences. Why? Because the same materials that would have caused "shock and awe" twenty years ago is considered tamed by today's standards. Again... Why? Because the human mind is desensitized by constant exposure to violence and the gaming industry must constantly increase the levels of violence to keep the interest in the games going.

Don't kid yourselves. The gaming industry is not marketing games to adults. They are marketing to children. A game may be rated for mature audiences, but it was never intended for that market. The big money is in selling to young people.

Another example is what we call family TV. We have gone from shows such as Brady Bunch to shows that glamorize teen promiscuity and even teen pregnancy.

There is a reason the gaming industry and the media is working so hard to claim this garbage isn't the problem. It is called BIG MONEY. Consider yourself a tool of the anti gun movement when trying to make the absolutely absurd case that children exposed to porn and graphic violence aren't affected. Consider yourself a tool of the anti gun movement when you act as if it is somehow violating constitutional rights to put some of the blame on the very companies that provide the training material for these mass murders.

[G26ster]

As long as you pass laws that will have no effect on mass shootings, that restrict gun rights, you will ensure there will be more mass shootings which will allow you to pass more laws that do nothing to prevent them, and guarantee even more mass shootings, so you can pass even more laws that will not prevent them...

Liberals have nothing to gain by passing laws that might actually help prevent any tragedy in the future, as in school security, eliminating gun free zones, addressing mental health and social issues, and enforcing existing gun laws that should actually incarcerate those who use guns to commit crimes. There is no way to further advance their agenda of disarming the public if these tragedies are lessened or eliminated.

Ed Rendel said it best when he said, "The good thing about Newtown is, it was so horrific that I think it galvanized Americans to a point where the intensity on our side is going to match the intensity on their side."

Yep, a few more tragedies such as Newtown and they'll be well on their way to a "gun free" America full of Unicorns and rainbows.

[03Lightningrocks]

He learns over years and years that he can do what he wants and nothing happens. No limits, no filters, not physically or socially.

One of the BIG reasons I don't do more stupid stuff, as a 49 year old, is that it brings back negative memories of my child hood where I was allowed to do more basic stupid stuff that ended up hurting a LOT. either because I injured myself or my friends. or because my parents injured my backside for being a dummy. Kids today don't have that learning curve.

Now add in a society that will not allow you to single anyone out for ANYTHING.

[baldeagle]

In the end, it comes down to parenting, and THAT is something that I think many of us will agree is sorely lacking in our nation today...and I am the first to admit that I have no clue what the fix for that is, or if it can be fixed.

Totally.

[03Lightningrocks]

As long as you pass laws that will have no effect on mass shootings, that restrict gun rights, you will ensure there will be more mass shootings which will allow you to pass more laws that do nothing to prevent them, and guarantee even more mass shootings, so you can pass even more laws that will not prevent them...

Liberals have nothing to gain by passing laws that might actually help prevent any tragedy in the future, as in school security, eliminating gun free zones, addressing mental health and social issues, and enforcing existing gun laws that should actually incarcerate those who use guns to commit crimes. There is no way to further advance their agenda of disarming the public if these tragedies are lessened or eliminated.

Ed Rendel said it best when he said, "The good thing about Newtown is, it was so horrific that I think it galvanized Americans to a point where the intensity on our side is going to match the intensity on their side."

Yep, a few more tragedies such as Newtown and they'll be well on their way to a "gun free" America full of Unicorns and rainbows.

I agree... It is obvious the libtards have have an agenda to outlaw guns. Bringing anything else into the argument is immediately met with stiff resistance because it might take the sights off the real target. Gun confiscation.

We can't bring up that our society is falling apart due to declining moral values, for the fear that the politically correct police will show up at our doors.

[baldeagle]

The slippery slope works both ways. What we considered graphic violence twenty five years ago would be on the family hour of TV today.

It should be real interesting to observe what will be considered acceptable in another ten years. The media and the gaming industry continues to increase the level of violence and anti social behavior in order to titilate the audiences. Why? Because the same materials that would have caused "shock and awe" twenty years ago is considered tamed by today's standards. Again... Why? Because the human mind is desensitized by constant exposure to violence and the gaming industry must constantly increase the levels of violence to keep the interest in the games going.

Don't kid yourselves. The gaming industry is not marketing games to adults. They are marketing to children. A game may be rated for mature audiences, but it was never intended for that market. The big money is in selling to young people.

Another example is what we call family TV. We have gone from shows such as Brady Bunch to shows that glamorize teen promiscuity and even teen pregnancy.

There is a reason the gaming industry and the media is working so hard to claim this garbage isn't the problem. It is called BIG MONEY. Consider yourself a tool of the anti gun movement when trying to make the absolutely absurd case that children exposed to porn and graphic violence aren't affected. Consider yourself a tool of the anti gun movement when you act as if it is somehow violating constitutional rights to put some of the blame on the very companies that provide the training material for these mass murders.

Well said. The critical point for me is that many don't even realize how these things have impacted our society. When I was a kid, if a girl got pregnant, she was whisked off to a place where she could bear the baby and then put it up for adoption. She was looked upon with disapproval. Now, she simply goes down to Planned Parenthood and gets an abortion. Problem solved. Adult females now see nothing wrong with being inseminated (artificially or otherwise), then bearing their child alone and raising it in a single parent home.

When I was a child, Ozzie and Harriet sleep in separate twin beds. Now you can watch a plethora of TV shows where two adults act like rutting pigs, slobbering all over each other in their insatiable desire to commit the sex act on the first date.

I have no doubt that I may live to see the day when we have full frontal nudity on broadcast TV. But I won't be celebrating it. I'll be shaking my head wondering how much farther into the sewer we will descend before people have had enough.

No matter where you stand on these changes, approve or disapprove, you must admit, that's a dramatic change in the course of a mere 50 years. These things have always been with us, but it's only in recent years that they have become perfectly acceptable in polite company.

My question is, if you won't stand up against these things, where do you draw the line? After the fight is completely lost? If you drive past a large pig farm, the smell is almost overwhelming. If you live in it, it's perfectly normal.

[handog]

Add a society that has more than quadrupled the prescriptions of mind altering- anti depressant drugs for children in the past decade. Drugs such as Paxil and Prozac with known side effects such as suicide, mania, agitation,paranoid reaction, psychosis, hostility, hallucinations, abnormal thinking,depersonalization among others.

It's likely Lanza was taking Prozac since he was diagnosed with autism. No proof yet. He may have been spoiled, unaccountable. He may have been desensitized by video games. BUT, he would have had to be completely and totally out of his mind, no emotion whatsoever to commit such a heinous act. XBox isn't that powerful. MTV isn't that powerful. Psychiatric drugs are.

For example:

Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox

Patrick Purdy went on a schoolyard shooting -was taking the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.

Kip Kinkel opened fire on his classmates. 1098 He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.

The list goes on and on yet the pharmaceutical companies aren't compelled to show up at Bidens anti- gun comity.

[92f-fan]

I enjoy playing first person shooters - and I have for years
Since I'm not mentally unstable or on meds - I haven't shot anyone "call of duty" style..

Blaming the games is no different than blaming the guns.
It takes a psychotic to mass murder people.
whether they use an airplane, a gun, a uhaul full of fertilizer, a knife, natural gas leak, fire or what ever else fits in the twisted mind...

Its the PERSON thats the issue - whether we are banning guns or first person shooters BOTH actions contribute to MORE of the Nanny State. Less personal responsibility

[jmra]

I hate those games. I can't hardly figure out where I'm at before my 11yr old puts one in my brain stem.

I should add that I am an alien in the game. He is not allowed to kill real people, I mean real fake game people.

[03Lightningrocks]

Add a society that has more than quadrupled the prescriptions of mind altering- anti depressant drugs for children in the past decade. Drugs such as Paxil and Prozac with known side effects such as suicide, mania, agitation,paranoid reaction, psychosis, hostility, hallucinations, abnormal thinking,depersonalization among others.

It's likely Lanza was taking Prozac since he was diagnosed with autism. No proof yet. He may have been spoiled, unaccountable. He may have been desensitized by video games. BUT, he would have had to be completely and totally out of his mind, no emotion whatsoever to commit such a heinous act. XBox isn't that powerful. MTV isn't that powerful. Psychiatric drugs are.

For example:

Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox

Patrick Purdy went on a schoolyard shooting -was taking the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.

Kip Kinkel opened fire on his classmates. 1098 He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.

The list goes on and on yet the pharmaceutical companies aren't compelled to show up at Bidens anti- gun comity.

This is another good point. Mine are all grown, but from talking to guys that work for me, I can say that I am stunned at how many claim they have been told they have kids that have add. Then they go on to say that the kid is being put on meds for it. I don't know if there is something in our environment causing more kids to have mental disorders or the system is geared to control kids who don't necessarily fall in line with the other sheep. My suspicion is the latter.

I agree with you. Doping up all these kids may be causing more harm than good.

[K.Mooneyham]

Add a society that has more than quadrupled the prescriptions of mind altering- anti depressant drugs for children in the past decade. Drugs such as Paxil and Prozac with known side effects such as suicide, mania, agitation,paranoid reaction, psychosis, hostility, hallucinations, abnormal thinking,depersonalization among others.

It's likely Lanza was taking Prozac since he was diagnosed with autism. No proof yet. He may have been spoiled, unaccountable. He may have been desensitized by video games. BUT, he would have had to be completely and totally out of his mind, no emotion whatsoever to commit such a heinous act. XBox isn't that powerful. MTV isn't that powerful. Psychiatric drugs are.

For example:

Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox

Patrick Purdy went on a schoolyard shooting -was taking the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.

Kip Kinkel opened fire on his classmates. 1098 He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.

The list goes on and on yet the pharmaceutical companies aren't compelled to show up at Bidens anti- gun comity.

This is another good point. Mine are all grown, but from talking to guys that work for me, I can say that I am stunned at how many claim they have been told they have kids that have add. Then they go on to say that the kid is being put on meds for it. I don't know if there is something in our environment causing more kids to have mental disorders or the system is geared to control kids who don't necessarily fall in line with the other sheep. My suspicion is the latter.

I agree with you. Doping up all these kids may be causing more harm than good.

Quite a few years ago, when I was stationed in Northern California the first time, they tried to tell us that my son had ADD...turned out to be a teacher that just didn't like boys in her classroom and didn't want to devote any energy to teaching them. She made him sit out in the hallway a lot of the time for the tiniest little things. I deployed a lot back then and so my wife had to deal with it, and she did. She got my son moved to a different class and he did pretty well. He never really liked school all that much after that, though; no surprise why, to me anyway.

[03Lightningrocks]

I enjoy playing first person shooters - and I have for years
Since I'm not mentally unstable or on meds - I haven't shot anyone "call of duty" style..

Blaming the games is no different than blaming the guns.
It takes a psychotic to mass murder people.
whether they use an airplane, a gun, a uhaul full of fertilizer, a knife, natural gas leak, fire or what ever else fits in the twisted mind...

Its the PERSON thats the issue - whether we are banning guns or first person shooters BOTH actions contribute to MORE of the Nanny State. Less personal responsibility

When you were growing up in your formative years, you were not playing video games that simulated killing people and you were not watching movies and TV that glorified rape, murder and other forms of violence.

The issue I brought up has to do with training children to commit mass murder utilizing video games. If the technique were not effective, the military would not be using them to simulate combat situations for training troops. At least when the military utilizes video games to train, they have guidance. Americans are sitting their 8 year olds in front of violent video games and walking away... Or worse... Locking the door as they leave for work.